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A New Reefing Chapter Begins

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by slovan, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. slovan

    slovan Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I'm not sure what kind of fan but I want something that can pull about 150CFM and is fairly quiet. Fans are relatively cheap and easy to replace so I can live with whatever they put in.
     
  2. slovan

    slovan Experienced Reefkeeper

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    No problem, Jamie! If someone else can find useful information in this thread then it had served a good purpose. /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif
     
  3. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    What is much more important when choosing a bathroom type exhaust fan is the noise level. Call is coincidence, but the unit of measure for this is the Sone. Go figure!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sone

    Generally, the smaller the Sone number, the higher the cost. This is opposite of the larger the "Sone's Tank" size, the higher the cost. However, you cannot measure the badassness in mere dollars. Thus, badassness, albeit a relative figure, usually trumps the high cost of achieving such badassness.

    Please forgive my ranting...I'm on pain killers and muscle relaxers again...oooooooh
     
  4. iaJim

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    If you have not yet purchased the fan, I'd suggest a Panasonic. Very low sone number.
     
  5. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    I've got a squirrel cage fan that's pretty loud but it's like 180cfm, if you wanna mount it high in the celing and do the ducting
     
  6. slovan

    slovan Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Ha! The first time I saw the measurement of Sone was in Lowe's and I got a good chuckle out of it. I guess my name isn't as foreign as I thought it was. /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/biggrin.gif Thanks guys, I will definitely ask for a low noise/ high output fan. Even if it cost a little more, it'll be worth it over the next few years.
     
  7. moneypit

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    As far as venting goes I thought about using a standard bathroom exhaust fan then found these http://www.atrendyhome.com/spductfans.html?productid=spductfans&channelid=FROOG . I plan on running 4" PVC with either the TD-150 or the 200 somewhere in line , then just vent right out my coal door(being replaced). So far your build is looking awesome and I'll keep tagging along.
     
  8. iaJim

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    Does your house have a heat recovery ventilator Sone? We installed one which pulls the moist air from our study, which houses the aquarium, and pushes the outside air into the lower level of the house. Once the outside air is dry, you're bringing in low humid air and exhausting higher humidity air. We don't have forced air heat, so we really needed something like this. I bought the one that JJ once had installed in his fish room.
     
  9. slovan

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    Those are pretty neat, I have never seen those fans before. When I looked at the specs for the 150 and 200 models, they require 6" and 8" ducts respectively. I don't think your 4" duct will work with them.
     
  10. slovan

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    Hey Jim, we do not have one. I contemplated it but it seems that it is only beneficial when it is not humid out. In IA, that is ~6 months a year.  I will see how it does and then go from there. I'm hoping no further action is required though! If so, I may have to look at a whole house dehumidifier.
     
  11. iaJim

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    It still works out pretty well since when the air conditioner goes on it dries out the air pretty well. Of course we still run a dehumidifier in our basement because this is Iowa.
     
  12. slovan

    slovan Experienced Reefkeeper

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    OK, I found an HVAC guy who says he will come out on Friday to install the air return to the room and put in a bathroom fan.  I am going with a 150CFM fan using 6" ducts.  Hopefully he shows up to do the job.  The other guy flaked out so I am hoping to have this wrapped up before the tank goes in.
    I also forgot to mention a few tools I used that helped make this project smoothly.  I got a 12" sliding compound miter saw that was essential to cutting the 2x8s.  I have a 10" miter saw but I would have had to cut most of it and then flip it over to finish cutting off the uncut part.  I know I probably would've screwed that up somehow so I am glad I didn't have to do that.  Since my cordless drill was about 6-7 years old, I decided to get a new one that was smaller, lighter and more powerful.  It made a huge difference in putting the stand together since I only used screws.  I also got a jig saw to cut out the holes for the overflows.  My wife thinks I went overboard but now she is also adding a few wood projects to my list since I have the handy tools to make things. [​IMG]
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  13. slovan

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    Here's a view of the stand in place.  I still have to screw the top down but otherwise the stand is ready to go.  I also added a double layer of plastic sheeting between the carpet and the bottom sheet of plywood of the stand.  Hopefully that will help with any issues should the carpet ever get wet.  I also plan on putting down several layers of plastic sheeting between the sump and the bottom of the stand.  I want to create a basin that would be able to hold water if I happen to get things wet outside of the sump.  
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    And the last thing I have been working on is changing my standard outlets into GFCI outlets.  You can't see them but the outlets are on the left front corner of the stand.  Hopefully it will be easy to wire everything over to that area of the stand.  If not, I have outlets on the right front side of the stand as well but I left that one as a standard and not GFCI.  I should probably switch that one out too now that I am thinking about it. /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/sad.gif
     
  14. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    I put pond liner down under my stand for the same reason. I don't have carpet, but wanted to catch everything and keep it contained.
     
  15. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Sone, I was recently told (I think it was on RC) that though the common suggestion is to run all your equipment off GFCI breakers, according to the NEC it is not required (it is highly recommended for anything within 6' of a water source) but GFCI breakers are not 'required' because they are not rated for continuous duty pumps like we all use on our aquariums. I haven't had a chance to look into this much but you might consider running your main pump off a non-GFCI breaker, or at least looking into the issue (as will I)
     
  16. slovan

    slovan Experienced Reefkeeper

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    It will be hard to run it off a non-GFCI outlet because I want the pumps on the DC8 so I can control it.  With everything else on the DC8, I want those protected as well.  I did it this way on my previous setup without issue. I suppose if I had to change it out, the outlet is still accessible from the inside of the stand. Keep me posted on what you find out and recommend. 
     
  17. Jamie

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    The only benefit I can see to the GFCI breaker over the GFCI outlet (I assume this is what your refering to)? is that it is away from any water so that if the outlet box itself gets wet the power is cut to the outlet box not just the outlet’s plugs. The downside is that having everything on one GFCI breaker vs. split up over several GFCI outlets is your putting everything in one basket. If that GFCI breaker trips it will shut down your entire system. I recommend (if your running off of only one breaker) to setup at least 2 independent GFCI outlets and split your equipment up between the 2 so that if one trips your only shutting down part of your tank. Many MH ballast trip GFCI’s and is why manufactures recommend not running them on GFCI outlets. Our house had arc-fault breakers (which is a whole different thing than GFCI’s and now also code in bedrooms) followed by the GFCI outlets and we had to change it out to a normal breaker and remove the GFCI for the MH ballast because they were being tripped by the ballast constantly. The rest of the equipment is still on the GFCI outlets. 
    Also GFCI's don't do a lot to protect your equipment they are there to protect you from shock.

     
  18. slovan

    slovan Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Good thoughts, Jamie and thanks for sharing! It sounds like I need 2 DC8s to keep the lights and pumps off the standard breaker and everything else on the 2nd DC8 on a GFCI.
     
  19. AJ

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    FWIW, I've heard the EB4s are more resiliant.  Not sure why, but I believe that it has to do with a lower rate of outlet failures.  I know I've had my share...I've sent one of my EB8s to be repaired once, and I currently have a failed outlet one now.  It's $50 for the first outlet and $15 for each additional to get repaired.  Not cheap...
    --AJ
     
  20. slovan

    slovan Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Thanks for your input, AJ. I may just get the EB4 instead of the 8.
     

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