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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by AJ, May 22, 2009.

  1. Gered

    Gered Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I can see it now......
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  2. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    Nice!!! I got some fish in there!! FINALLY!! haha
     
  3. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    So I'm just waiting for temps to stabilize before I throw some clarkii clowns in there.  It's 76 degrees now...I want it to get to 79 and stay there steady for a few hours before I throw anything in.  Thanks to Jay and Williamh for loaning my heaters while my others are getting replaced under warranty.  I'm getting some of the rock in the sump tonight...
    Iowa Glass should have the replacement glass for my other sump cut tomorrow and Vortechs show up Thursday...the week is looking up!
    --AJ
     
  4. Jay Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    LOL nice Gered!
     
  5. AJ

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    Toys from EcoTech showed up today!!  I just got two of the MP40ws hooked up and running.  They take a fair amount of fine tuning to make sure that the wet side is in just the right place.  If you don't, it will rattle, wear things out, use more power and cause the pump to fail prematurely.  I got one of the really quiet pretty quickly.  The other one, I couldn't get to be quiet at all.  After a half hour or so of messing, I swapped out the wet side with my spare.  It was almost immediately quiet.  I think I'll have to contact support and see what could be the issue with it.  They are not dead silent, but they are pretty quiet.  About like a regular PC fan, or a small desk fan running on the lowest setting.  They are not tough to set up to talk to each other, but I wish they had made it a little easier.  It would seem that as intelligent as these pumps are, there should be more than two buttons and a dial to control them and a single light to show the status.  Now, these comments are based strictly on setting them up on an empty tank.  I have no idea what they are going to do for polyp extension or anything like that, but I'm really looking forward to seeing that!
    I was playing around with them in short pulse/anti-synch mode.  That's the mode where you can create waves.  It wasn't more than a few seconds before a 2" wave was rolling across the top of the water splashing on the top of the euro-bracing.  I got freaked out and unplugged them to stop the wave to keep it from splashing water out of the tank.  I'm sure it would have grown considerably had I not unplugged them.
    Feed mode doesn't put them at a full stop, but almost.
    It is pretty cool once you have two pumps in a group and you turn the knob on one to turn up and down the pump power and watch the other immediately respond.
    I'll try to put down all my thoughts after I actually have some corals in there ans see how the corals and fish like them.
    As for the rest of the tank, I'm getting ready to start building the rock structure...but before all that, I have to finish preparations for the meeting this Saturday.  Looking forward to seeing everyone and talking about skimmers!
    --AJ
     
  6. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    Here's my first take at the rock work. I tried to keep plenty of space behind the pillars for good flow and keep them from being too close to any of the glass surfaces. I have not connected any of the rock work yet, but I will be usiong acrylic rods to attach most pieces when I'm happy. Two of the pillars are made up of three rocks and one is just two. The circular rock will not be connected to the pilars and will just sit between them. The idea with that is to make it a zoa/paly garden with a few varieties mixed together. I really like this rock. Porous, interesting, and somewhat unique. Thoughts? Suggestions?

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    --AJ
     
  7. Gered

    Gered Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Are you going to keep both MP40's that high? I was just thinking you might want to stagger them to keep the bottom stirring. That is just how I would do it along with them being offset front to back also.
     
  8. AJ

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    Placement will ultimately depend on what corals go where. One other thing that's kind of crazy...the dry weight of the rock in there now was only about 75 lbs. I don't know how much weight the water has added, but it's amazing how light those big rocks are. I still have the biggest piece of the pukani rock in my sump. I just couldn't get it to interlock in a way that I liked and the others just seemed to fit together. I like it. We'll see if I still like it a few days from now.

    --AJ
     
  9. snowman82

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    don't you have another vortech? i'd place that on the center in the back pushing twards the front, that should help keep things stirred up haha i thought about doing that with mine
     
  10. snowman82

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    i like the idea of the zoa garden though, that is what is halting my flow patter right now is all the zoa's i have on the bottom of my tank. i'd love to be able to have my flow alot lower but till i get a frag tank, and the new tank setup i can't /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/sad.gif
     
  11. PotRoast

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    I have a TON of rock in my tank. Probably 2lbs for every gallon. I have gone back and forth about taking some out, but I have found that with three vortechs, that lack of flow just is not a problem, anywhere in my tank. Sure there are some dead pockets and what not, and some crap does accumulate on the bottom of my tank. But I think I am to the point where I love all the rock, it gives me a place to put a ton of corals, and it gives my fish/inverts, etc. places to hide....I don't see a lot of them until feeding time. Anyways, it seems to me you don't have much rock, you will run out of places to put coral, and your fish will be exposed! My two cents. You asked.
     
  12. AJ

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    Thanks for the feedback PotRoast. You got me thinking a bit. My original thought with the rock the way that I have it was to make more area for corals..not less. Maybe my logic is off. I just figured that I could put corals on the sides of the columns as well as the front and provide a little bit of separation and room for them to grow without as much growing into each other. Heck, I could even put a few on the back of the columns. Now, you can't really see them in the pics, but there are a few tunnels and cave like areas in the rock, but not many. With the fish being exposed, what's the risk there? Stress? I guess I never thought that was going to be an issue, but maybe I'm overlooking something important. Am I overlooking something?

    --AJ

     
  13. Jay Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I did read that these things can act weird for the first day or two, including making noise etc, while "breaking in". Not sure if that applies here, but I thought I would mention it.
    On a side note I have had a hard time getting my MP10 setup in my biocube. I cannot seem to find a place and or setting that provide the right amount of flow for each part of the tank. I'm probably going to just have to redo my rock and coral placement, but trying to get my RBTA to settle into a new spot is going to suck /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif.
     
  14. Strong

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    AJ, if you are going to connect some rock with rods, I would look at making "bridges" in the top 1/3 of the tank so that you can have some cool rock structure, but also it gives a place up high (maybe out of lare flow) for Zoas and other stuff that may want to be closer to light while also making hiding places (shadows) for other stuff....might have to find some lighter thin rocks.....just my 2 cents...

    -Justin
     
  15. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    I like the towers but if there not attached together somehow i would be a woried about them getting nocked over.
     
  16. AJ

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    I'm attaching (probably with epoxy) rubble to the bottom where necessary to give four to six solid points of contact on the bottom of each.  Additionally, they are very bottom heavy so it would take quite a force to tip one over.  One of them was naturally flat on the bottom so that one will not take any additional rocks for stabilization.  The middle one is so wide that it would only be possible for it to tip forward...and I'm attaching rubble to prevent that.  The one on the right, I broke off a few pieces of the rock to make it sit flat so no additional bracing on that one is going to be necessary.  I think once they were stabilized, I could support some of the rock bridges like Justin is suggesting which could certainly add a degree of visual interest, but may be difficult to implement.
    --AJ
     
  17. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    AJ. I am no expert. It seems like you don't have enough horizontal surface area to space your coral. I would think everything is going to grow straight up and into each other. Plus if you get cool spreading corals like superman, you don't have a lot of rock for it to spread. And to be quite frank, I don't like the look of your rockwork at all. Just does not look natural. The flat rock is interesting but looks totally out of place. Please don't hate me for being so frank.

    JJ (doubleJ) used the pillar method which I thought looked kind of weird at first, but in time it ended up looking great. But keep in mind he has (had?) a very deep tank, and he also covered his back wall with rock and has a lot of stuff growing off of it.

    If you keep the pillars, bridges will go a LONG ways towards making it look nautral. Your rockwork is just screaming "BRIDGE ME!"
     
  18. PotRoast

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    Vortechs: I have three of them. One is at one end of the tank, about 8inch off the bottom. I have another at the other end, about in the middle of the glass. Then I have one in the back middle of the tank. The low vortech creates an undertow and provides lots of flow down low. The one in the middle at the other end picks up the undertow and shoots it back across the tank. I call it the tang highway. All of the flow converges in the middle with the back vortech and creates and explosion of current. I get my upper column flow from my returns. Sometimes when my sump pump sucks air you can watch the bubbles follow the flow.....I get great coverage with this scheme. It was recommended to me by Ecotech. I run them in sync on purple.
     
  19. AJ

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    Hey PotRoast, I really appreciate your frank opinion. I like the look of it as is, but I think that you may be right that I could run out of space to mount corals. I'll give it more thought. I may add some bridges...we'll see. I need to rod what's there first, then I can figure out how to take it to the next level. I love the circular rock and I had originally thought of it more horizontal, but I couldn't find a way to make it work that way. I may still move it around a bit. I'm going to find a way to make it work because I think corals on that would look great. Unfortunately because of where the back overflow is, putting one on the back probably would not work. We'll see.

    --AJ
     
  20. snowman82

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    i'm running 2 towers in my 120 and love it, i have coral all around them fish still have plenty of room to hide and swim same as shrimp and stupid lobster /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif the coral wont go strait up, they will grow out as well since the light will spread across the tank not just from a single point. i think you'll be fine /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif i have run out of space a little bit, but i just been kinda picky where i put things. i want things to grow and being kinda selective of what i put in my tank to. since i have 2 tanks now one is going to primarily softies and such so that will leave more room in my big tank...might be something to think about....maybe keep the 150 /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/wink.gif
     

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