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Algae Scrubber only??

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Deleted member 1172, Feb 26, 2016.

  1. Deleted member 1172

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    Well, as I've bounced around with my tanks, between 55 gallon, to rimless 60, to the 29 standard, followed by the dart frog adventure, then the 40 gallon breeder, I've bought a lot of stuff and probably sold more. At the end of it all, I'm left without a tank still. BUT there may be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'd like to set up a 29 standard again. Something about the dimensions are really pretty nice. My predicament lies in whether I want to even bother with a skimmer or not. Seen a lot of positive threads on the benefit on only using an algae scrubber along with a little carbon. Between really efficient nutrient exportation, to come for microfauna, to pH balance, a scrubber seems to be the way to go. But before I take the plunge, does anybody here other than Bud have a scrubber only system??
     
  2. Roman Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I had a 60 cube with the L2 scrubber and it worked amazingly well.
     
  3. Fence13 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    after running one of the L2 scrubbers on a 75 I would say you should use a skimmer as well. My skimmer pulls out a lot and the scrubber works hard too. However, I have never been happy with the results from skimmers on small tanks, so you make an interesting concept.

    I think you would have to have a special plumbing arrangement as you couldn't just stick the scrubber on top of your tank. But let us know how it works out if you try it.
     
  4. Deleted member 1172

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    Will do! Thanks. And Roman, did you notice any pH issues? Fence, I plan on drilling the 29 out and running a 20 tall as a sump/refugium. Double up on algae maybe. It might be a bit of trial and error to see what happens. What issues did you run into?
     
  5. Roman Experienced Reefkeeper

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    No ph issues. Ran scrubber in the nighttime hours
     
  6. Roman Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I never ran into any issues and did very few water changes. I have since moved on to a bigger setup and have a l4 scrubber on it. I am still battling on that setup. Trying to do two completely different setups with one common sump. Aggressive fish in one reef in another. Unfortunately not receiving the results I anticipated. Probably going to focus on reef tank and switch over the aggressive as much as I love them fish.
     
  7. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I've almost been running just a scrubber. I have an L2 and have my skimmer dialed in to make very dry skimmate. I get about a quarter inch of coffee tint sludge a day in the cup. I have thick green hair algae I remove from the screen every 10-14 days.
     
  8. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I've been running a scrubber only on my 110 for4 or 5 years.
    No problems with, it is quieter than a skimmer and no fear of skimmer cup overflowing onto my floor.
     
  9. Roman Experienced Reefkeeper

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    These pics are from last month that I sent to fish brain 2 days growth and four days growth. I feed heavy l4 scrubber

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  10. ShaneP Well Known Hawkfish

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    Roman, do you have any visible algae growth in the display tank?
     
  11. Deleted member 1172

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    Okay, Bud, I want to know YOUR thoughts on this.. haha! Also, how about Craig (xroads)?

    Roman, I am curious how your display looks as well. I've seen videos of people who increase feedings to grow algae more. What is your photo period?
     
  12. Roman Experienced Reefkeeper

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    My lights are on for 12 hours. My setup is a little complicated. I have two 93 gallon cubes plumbed to a common sump. I have aggressive fish in one tank and I have reef fish and corals in the other. My reef side does real well with no algae in the display. I do have some algae and cyano on the aggressive side . I attribute that to the more feeding and more wastes that are produced by them fish.
     
  13. Quam

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    I have been running an ATS for around 6 years now. 220 bare bottom with 75 refugium and 20 frag tank. Lps, sps and zoas. I run a water fall style ats with leds. Light cycle for the ats is 18 on 6 off. I would just buy the L2 from Bud if I were starting over again. Its waaay smaller than mine and much more efficient.
     
  14. Roman Experienced Reefkeeper

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    My light cycle is only 6 hours on 18 off on my L4 scrubber
     
  15. Quam

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    Roman, is the shortened light cycle because the L4 is so efficient?
     
  16. Roman Experienced Reefkeeper

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    That would be a question for bud @Turbo's Aquatics@Turbo's Aquatics to answer. That is all I ever ran my L2 scrubber at also.
     
  17. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    For a CFL or fluorescent scrubber, the 18 on 6 off rule is applicable. With certain LED setups, you can cut that back to more like 9 to 12 hours of on time and usually get the same result, because the LEDs are much more intense, so if you run them longer and the tank doesn't have the nutrient load to support that level of intensity, your algae growth can actually hit a reversal point.

    When I started toying with dimming what I figured out is that you can set up your LEDs so that you can dim them to be kind of in synch with your tank load, and then run them long hours. Longer hours = more constant filtration and less chance of burning/bleaching or more accurately, photosaturation. However on my personal 120 (scrubber only) I run the LEDs 24/7, the tank load is enough for me to be able to get away with that.

    On another one (Taki) I can't get super thick GHA to grow hardly at all, but that tank also runs a filter sock and skimmer, and is sparingly fed even though there are some big buddies in there. It grows like @Roman@Roman shows (nice carpet later) except on top of it I get a volumous slimy layer, the harvest is never one for the record books, and no matter what I do to the light cycle/intensity it doesn't seem to change much.

    The scrubber-only tank at the dentist's office in Grimes (144) grows a lot also, it's dialed back to 12 hours/day I think just so it doesn't grow crazy in 2 weeks. That tank has some GHA on the back walls growing on the coralline but none on the rocks and none choking out coral or anything. That tank has been scrubber-only since 10/10/2010 (tank was swapped out in 2012 when the acrylic tank showed failure signs, current tank has been up for 3+ years)

    I would say all in all, you can do scrubber-only, but if you combine another secondary filtration like a under-rated skimmer and/or carbon, that is always good. My next one to try is the Avast Spyglass reactor running Purigen. I have 2 of them just haven't had the opportunity to set them up.
     
  18. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    What size of the reactors do you have? If it's the small and you want to part with one I'd buy it and run it with purigen and my scrubber and take my skimmer offline.
     
  19. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Noooo...I bought these with my birthday money, I want to try them first!!
     
  20. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    That's ok. I want to get one but had forgotten they existed until I read your post. I will also add that my L2 runs lights on for 5 hours on 19 hours off. It is on from about 5am-10am and shuts off about 30 minutes after my tank lights come on each day. The screen fills up to the point of needing cleaned about every 14 days. I think I am going to increase the photo-period of the scrubber to around 8 hours because I have been feeding more and am getting a little hair algae in the tank.
     

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