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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by seyzar18, Sep 17, 2013.

  1. seyzar18

    seyzar18 Inactive User

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    So I have a 135 gallon in wall setup in North Des Moines for my ro system
    I have a 9 stage ro. After the water cycles through the to it still comes out on my hannah checker as .12 phosphates after mixing to 1.025 salinity with reef crystals it comes to .21 always. I have done numerous checks and its always the same some times even higher, this is a new set of filters in the ro system also. Do I add even more stages to the ro and if so whats the best one to add?? Do resin? Carbon blocks? Sediment?? I'm lost here
     
  2. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    I haven't checked my RODI phos. The TDS is always 0. What is yours?
     
  3. seyzar18

    seyzar18 Inactive User

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    Coming in is 198 coming out is 0
     
  4. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Have you tried more then one test kit?

    Try letting the water sit for 48 hours and recheck it
     
  5. Tickyty

    Tickyty Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Are you using DI resin? Have you tried using a different mixing container, maybe something is leaching from it.
     
  6. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Also some people say that the vials of the Hanna P checker can get stained and that you should swap them out every once in a while, but I've never had a problem as long as I empty them and rinse in hot water right away after the test is complete.
     
  7. Chris C. Experienced Reefkeeper GIRS Member

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    You say you have 9 stages in your RO process. Can you let us know which stage is, and also what type of filter is each stage?

    It would seem that you might have a testing issue at first glance.
     
  8. seyzar18

    seyzar18 Inactive User

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    I have 4 stages of do resin here's my stages from first to last

    Sediment carbon carbon di resin carbon sediment 150 g membrane then 3 di to end the ro

    My water will sit for a week from
    Tuesday to Tuesday when I do a water change, il do 40 gallon changes and have a total of 80 gallons made up at all times.

    As far as use the vials, I have also tried to use the vials from
    My magnesium test kit and my calcium test kit with the same luck..
    Anyone around Des Moines with a td meter what does it say ur water is coming in?
     
  9. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    I'd switch to a 75gpd membrane.
     
  10. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Also, why would you put a DI Resin before the RO membrane? That's going to burn out in no time. Then after that, why more carbon and sediment?

    Your cartridges should go in order of micron, largest to smallest. usually all you really need is sediment, carbon 1, carbon 2, then right into RO membrane, after that, just DI. This is what I run, with 2 DI sections (standard canisters with inserts, not horizontal ones that sometimes come with cheaper DI units)

    If you are really producing water at the 150 GPD rate, then this could be part of the issue I suppose - not enough contact time.

    My membrane is a 150 GPD but my water pressure is relatively low, so I never get 150 GPD, more like 40, so my rejection rate is huge, I bet I put 5 gallons down the drain for every gallon of RODI I make. So I am putting that water very slowly through 2 canisters of DI resin (BRS color changing) and after probably 400 gallons since I added the 2nd one (and refilled the first) the first DI canister is just starting to show signs of changing color over, the second one is still solid blue.

    I also made a DIY flush valve for my reject water off my membrane, a couple T's and a valve and wen you first fire up the production you open the valve to bypass the flow restrictor to flush it for 30 seconds, this gets all your built-up TDS out of the RO membrane houusing (dirty side) from it sitting there not running. Then let your RO production water run down the drain until the TDS stabilizes (preferrably really low, like 10 or less) and then engage the DI. Your RO output will be like 200 TDS (from the CLEAN side!) for the first half gallon or so until the RO housing is flushed out completely. If you don't do this, you'll burn out your DI resin that much faster.

    DI resin is oppotunistic, so it will grab on to ions that have a stronger bond. When part of your resin is used up, or if your resin is packed too tight, along with other factors, possibly flow being one, you can get channeling which means you will have a low-resistance pathway and your RO water is not getting enough contact time in your DI. This can mean that when this part of the DI is saturated, then it will release ions with a weaker bond in preference for those with a stronger bond. Someone may correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Phosphate is one of the weaker ions, thus it will be released more easily in such a situation.

    I have a Hanna combo TDS/mS/pH meter and all calibration liquid, I use it all the time (indispensable), I could try to stop by sometime, I work near MHM, when are you around? I have an uber-busy week...might just have to loan it to you
     
  11. seyzar18

    seyzar18 Inactive User

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    I'm around all the time I live at work basically lol and as for the way its all set up I just started throwing hints in there to see if i could get it to lower the numbers at all, I highly doubt its even close to 150 a day my pressure is at 46 lbs so I have no idea what that puts me at for gpd
     
  12. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    Have you checked phosphates from the water strait out of the filters? Never touching any other container? What about just straight from the tap?

    I've never checked phosphates from my RO/DI water, but after mixing up my saltwater for 24hrs it tests 0 for phosphates.
     
  13. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Was going to drop off meter today but was a long day...
     
  14. seyzar18

    seyzar18 Inactive User

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    It's all good I'm there every day besides Tuesdays if you want my number is 515-460-7134 I could always meet you somewhere too just let me know thanks
     
  15. seyzar18

    seyzar18 Inactive User

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    Ok well here it is, checked the water strsight from the ro it was .22 checked it after I made up 40 gallons as 1.025 at 74 degrees it was .24 checked after it sat 24 hours salt water .24 straight ro .21
     
  16. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Wow. Something is really wrong with your DI if you're getting that much out of your production water.
     
  17. seyzar18

    seyzar18 Inactive User

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    Is there anyone that lives close to north Des Moines that has a tdi? I'm curious to know what your incoming water reads?
     
  18. hart

    hart Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Possible you are using the rejection water from the membrane? That is crazy high phosphate.
     
  19. seyzar18

    seyzar18 Inactive User

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    Update... After setting a entire week "7" days the phosphate tests at a gol old .26 tested 3 times each the same. I double checked the lines and I have the right ones going where they go
     
  20. seyzar18

    seyzar18 Inactive User

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    and yet another update, This might be a dumb question but im going to ask anyways. So i have the added on Di containers and its the ones where you put the di in the little cartridge then slide that inside the outer container purchased i believe from bulk reef supply. Anyways i was messing around with the ro system and i had noticed that on all the other housings the water will fill clear to the top but on the last 2 added on di containers the water will NOT fill the outer housing but it still comes in and goes out the other side....

    I saw on the bottom of the actual di container "The smaller housing inside" that on the bottom of it, it has little cutouts like the water is suppose to come back out there but im not sure, It will have a little water in the bottom probably about 1/8th filled but thats it and it will not ever get any higher then that??? Is this right or no?


    I read that over and its a little confusing so ill sum it up if i can.. So basically on the last 2 Di housings it looks like the water comes in one side fills up the actual di canister inside the housing and goes right back out the other side of the housing never filling up the actual outter housing.
     

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