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Big ol` Fish Questions!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by SaltWaterloo, Apr 7, 2010.

  1. SaltWaterloo

    SaltWaterloo Inactive User

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    I was just curious on a couple things:
    1. How do you judge how
    much room a fish needs? I am kinda makin a shopping list for the new
    55g. I heard once that it should be an inch per gallon. Well after i
    picked out my dream fish selection and made sure they all were
    compatable, i checked their maximum size and added them all up. They
    came out to 54 inches full grown. Thats 6 fish that are pretty decent  size fish.
    The list i made was:
    Flame angel or Lemon Peel angel
    Blue
    Hippo Tang
    Lemon Peel Mimic Tang or Yellow Tang
    Porcupine Puffer or
    Spiny Box Puffer
    One-Spot Foxface or Lo Foxface
    Pearlscale
    Butterfly or Copper Banded Butterfly or Yellow Longnose Butterfly
    Lawnmower
    Blenny of Scooter Blenny
    The first listed of each fish is the
    one id prefer and the 2nd are backups. I only measured the preferred
    fish
    Thats alot of pretty decent sized fish, so i was just
    wondering if that wold be too much. when i looked them up, and totalled
    the max size, it came to 54 inches. so if the "inch per gallon" thing
    were correct, the fish wouldnt even get close to the limit until they
    were fully grown.
    Also, if somehow i had extra room, i was going
    to put in some smaller fish for color and uniqueness. But i dont want
    to worry about the puffer eating them. these choices were:
    Red,
    Green or Spotted Mandrin Dragonet
    Royal Gramma
    Longnose Hawkfish
    Clownfish(species
    undecided)
    So if you have any wisdom to share, Id appreciate it!
    My
    second question was:
    What kind of cleaning crew would i need
    with a puffer in the tank? Small snails, slugs and shrimp would be out
    of the question, so what would i use? and would scallops, urchins and
    clams be ok?
    I'd appreciate any help you can give. Thanks!
    -Sam
    P.S. I'm sure ill get asked again so.. This is a 55 gallon tank
    P.P.S. I am NOT going to get all these fish at the same time, if at all /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif so dont worry. I'm jsut trying to get information
     
  2. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    sam i typically start at http://www.liveaquaria.com when i research fish and coral. they tend to give a pretty good lowdown on what im looking at.

    as far as tangs go. i think they need pretty large tank as they grow so big.

    the scooter blenny and mandarine will eat the same food, pods so you will most likely only want one or the other.

    with a 55gal tank id think about 6 fish will be about max. maybe a few more depending on your setup.
     
  3. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    The inch of fish per gallon of water is more of a freshwater thing......you just have to research the needs of each fish you want to get. Some need lots of room to swim, some do better in schools, some need lots of rockwork etc. Were you going to put all the fish on your list in the 55g? The blue hippo and yellow tangs would need a bigger tank, imo. Not sure the puffer would not eat a small blenny? It seems like your list is too long for a 55g........I'd go with about half of what you have listed and go with the ones that won't get very big, so the pygmy angels, blenny, maybe the foxface and some clownfish or royal gramma would be good choices, especially if you are new to salt. Copper banded butterfly's are difficult to keep/feed and are considered an expert fish. dragonettes need LOTS of live rock and a sump to maintain a steady pod population.

    Serpent stars can be a cleaner with predatory fish, although some people think they eat fish at night /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/hybrid//emoticons/smile.gif Scallops are not a cleaner and will die in most home aquariums within a few months, if not sooner. Urchins are a good choice, but not so much if you plan on getting lots of coral, as they tend to knock things over or attach frags to themselves for camouflage.

    I'd advise you to read up more on things before you go all crazy and buy a bunch of stuff that's incompatible or will be a problem down the road. There are lots of charts RE; fish compatibility on the web etc, do your homework and add things with lots of research beforehand.



     
  4. bobsfish

    bobsfish Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Do a lot reading on the fish profiles. Liveaquaria and Bluezooaquatics are good sources...but there are others. If you want to keep corals, you'll want reef safe fish...ex: puffers will eat your corals. In a 55, you might not want to put the bigger tangs....personally, I'd only do a yellow, but those also get bigger than a 55 can comfortably handle, especially if it has a bunch of live rock. If you had a big sump and put your rock in the sump to leave display tank room, than you can get away with some bigger fish...but, if your display tank has all the rock, than it's best to stick to small guys....clowns, basslets, etc. Hippos are prone to stress and ich and would likely be stressed in a 55. For your first tank, I'd personally suggest staying away from any butterfly fish...at least for a year. As for total length of fish, there is no hard rule because a 5 inch tang is a much larger bio-load than 5 1-inch gobies. But, if you stick to smaller fish, you can probably do 25 to 30 inches...but again there is no hard rule. It also depends on your skimmer, your total volume of water, frequency of water changes, etc.
     
  5. fishyness

    fishyness Inactive User

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    +1 phishcrazee please listen to her...
     
  6. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Lol, you should tell my husband this /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/wink.gif
     
  7. Matt

    Matt Inactive User

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    Yea, Defintally try liveaquria, they have a fish compatiability chart that includes coral,rock, and even live sand, that is super easy to use. Plus they give all the requirments and what special care a fish needs, I also think Bluezooaquatics.com does the same.
     
  8. SaltWaterloo

    SaltWaterloo Inactive User

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    after i wrote this and was sitting in class i realized that tangs wouldnt work anyway lol. need too much space. thanks for all your input! I'll tell you more what i'm thinking after work
     
  9. Guest

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    +1 on all of the above. Puffers can cause issues and imo should only be in fish only tanks.

     
  10. SaltWaterloo

    SaltWaterloo Inactive User

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    Well now that i have the 75 up and running, i pretty excited to start fish shopping. I think im going to go with a tang and a foxface, and the rest smaller reef safe fish, along with corals and inverts. or maybe 2 tangs? idk im only going to have 2 fish that get much bigger than 4 or 5 inches.

    Currently in the tank there are 4 clowns, a lawnmower blenny and a trigger im trying to sell

    any thoughts?
    also, i have a bunch of what i think are spirorbid worms. ive noticed im getting alot more of them. i read that they are good but can get to be very numerous. i have a sixline wrasse, but idk if hes eating them, and even if he is, hes just a lil guy and theres a bunch. its not out of control yet, but i wanna keep it that way. any thoughts?
     

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