coral question?

I would say yes, but not sure how likely it is to happen. There is no tank that is Ich free if fish are in that tank, because there is a cycle in the ich life that they live in the gills of fish and they are protected by the gill mucus. Depending on when the fish get stressed is when the cycle will start back up and continue to infect. If the rock or tank is fish free for around 6 weeks you can be sure tank is clear of ich, but as soon as you add fish again they could introduce ich again, but with out problems most of the time.
Here is site I got some of my info from! I would say do a good dip on the frags if you are worried about it.

http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/ichparasiticdiseases/ss/sbsichlifecycle.htm

KP

 

I would disagree with this, Ick is a parasite that can be killed with copper or hypo treatment of fish. Any fish that has been properly treated should not have any parasites left on them regardless of what part of the fish it is on. With that said that means that every fish introduced into a tank weather they show signs of infection or not needs to be treated beforehand or all the fish could become infected with it at some point. The tomont stage can adhere to rocks, nets, sand, coral or anything that is transferred from one tank to another. I would just use a good coral dip on corals and rinse any inverts in tank water before transferring them into your tank to minimize any risk. The safest would be to QT everything for 8 weeks separate from fish, with no host the parasite dies off naturally.

 

Sorry you disagree, but I am only stating a fact I have read and researched on (Ich)Cryptoncaryon. I am no expert , but did you read the info on the life cycle of Cryptocaryon? In the Tomont Stage there is no effective treatment at that stage. You can disagree if you wish , but its fact. There is no treatment until they release from the gills. They can remain embedded in gills and unaffected by any treatment. I am not making this up its in the life cycle of the parasite.


The Trophont Stage is where the Hypo treatment is affective along with Chemical treatments.


From the info on that site:



1. Tomont Stage

Trophonts which have burrowed into the gills & formed cysts, protected by gill mucus.

Trophonts can live in the cyst embedded in the gills almost indefinitely.

No effective treatment at this stage.

2.

Trophont Stage

Tomont cysts have been discharged from the gills.

Can survive for 6 to 10 days in the cyst.

Hyposalinity (Osmotic Shock) and some chemical treatments are effective in exploding the cyst and Tomites.

3. Tomite Stage

Parasites (Tomites) discharged from the Tomont cyst and become free swimming.

Tomites can survive for 1-2 days before they must find another host.

Hyposalinity (Osmotic Shock) treatment effective in exploding the Tomites.

Many chemical treatments effective at this stage.

4. Trophont Stage

Tomites which attached to the fish's gills feed from the host, grow, form a cyst and become dormant.

Tomites which attach to the fish's surface feed from the host, grow, detach from the fish and go to the Trophont Stage 2.

Hyposalinity (Osmotic Shock) treatment effective in exploding the surface cysts.

Some chemicals effective in treatment of surface cysts at this stage.





Most (wild captured) fish carry the Cryptocaryon parasite in the their gills in the Tomont Stage 1. A vast majority of Saltwater Ich outbreaks occur when new fish are introduced into an aquarium. The stress generated by capture and shipping is one of the main causes of the cysts in the gills being released, generating Trophont Stage 2.


The gill mucus encasing the Cryptocaryon parasite in the Tomont Stage 1 renders most, if not all treatments, virtually ineffective at this stage.


Hyposalinity (Osmotic Shock Therapy) and chemical treatments are most effective when the Tomites (the actual parasites) are most vulnerable, during their free swimming stage. Hyposalinity literally explodes the Cryptocaryon cysts in Trophont Stages 2 & 4, exposing the Tomites to both chemical and further Hyposalinity treatments.

 

I also feel that Garlic is a good form of treatment if you catch it early and your fish is eating. You let your fish fight off Ich on its own with out over reacting and destroying your reef tank.


All I am saying is don't panic and use your best judgement when dealing with your tank. Know that what ever you do even QT does not always protect your fish from parasites only an outbreak in your tank. The QT process is only a way to control what gos into your live reef tank and to ease the stress before entering into a new environment we call our aquarium. I think throwing all kinds of crap at a fish before it even gets into loving home is just crazy and only leads to more stress.


I raised FW fish of all kinds for 25+ years and dealt with issues of Parasites many time even know I treated for them and setup a QT program. I breed and raised one of the hardest in the business called the Discus. Even a tank raised adult discus would some how pass on gill flukes to there young even know the parents where cleaned of them as young adults. They didn't hurt the adults in small amounts, but for a baby they killed. There is a reason why parasites hid in the gills of a fish or the intestines.They have Millions of years on us and know where to hid to survive. Its makes one good sense to do what you feel is comfortable for you and what you are willing to live with.



I say dip the coral and move on! and this is a good suggestion by jamie "I would just use a good coral dip on corals and rinse any inverts in tank water before transferring them into your tank to minimize any risk.

 

Rinse in clean fresh saltwater. You will mix the dip in a cup or bowl with water from your tank. The instructions will come on the dip bottle. I use Revive I think its called

 

Well not sure rinsing inverts will do anything. I would just leave them be.

 

Instructions should be followed on bottle. Rinsing inverts in fresh saltwater would not hurt but maybe not needed

 

Ich attaches to fish during certain lifecycles, but since it doesn't ever attach to shrimp or corals, it should be safe to introduce either to another system - just don't add any of the water. I agree that almost any system is likely to have ich in it, which will remain dormant if the fish are in good health. I would compare it to fleas or ticks that furry pets can get. You can keep them in good health and well groomed, treat them with Frontline, etc. to keep the parasites at bay, but they still exist in the environment outside.

 

I make it a point to dip any and all corals no matter who/where they are from. Peace of mind I guess. I use CoralRx.

 

Not a bad idea on corals, but I don't think there's a dip out there safe for inverts.

 

Yeah no dip for inverts.

 

I've dipped many inverts in malachite green, (*no more than 10 seconds MAX)... most seem to do completely fine with it. The only one's I've lost are those I suspected wouldn't make it from the start...

as a precautionary dip it works well.... I would caution on what species of fish you use it on though. I'm a big fan of QT for 8+ weeks, it seems to keep everything safe here... I'm pretty rigid on my QT methods though... maybe extreme considering what most folks do.

 

We dip all corals prior to introducing to our tanks (have been using Bayer for dipping) but dont dip inverts.