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Help!! Cyano problem

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mike, Oct 5, 2016.

  1. Mike

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    Urbandale, IA
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    Hey guys. I have been battling a cyano problem for months. I have tried everything. 3 day blackout. Reduced lights. Changed light settings. Added flow. Cut back on feedings. My phosphate and nitrate levels read near 0. Not sure what else to try... I also have it growing in my refugium. I am using a GFO/ carbon reactor to help keep phosphates under control.

    I haven't tried chemicals yet as most people suggest against it.

    Getting desperate. It is frustrating me to the point where the hobby isn't fun as I have to scrape and cyphon my tank daily now. Can anybody in the metro area assist? Possibly take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?


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  2. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

    Cedar Rapids, IA
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    phosphate remover, removing the sand, better maintenance practices seem to be winning my battle with the stuff.
    How old is the tank, and how well have you stuck to a good cleaning routine?
     
  3. Mike

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    The tank is 6 months old. It is a 65 gallon tank with a 29 gallon sump. I do a17 gallon water change every 2 weeks.

    I should permanently remove the sand? And replace it with what? What phosphate removers would you recommend and what are the potential negative side effects?
     
  4. Maureen Experienced Reefkeeper

    Urbandale, IA
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    Hi Mike,
    I by by no means an expert but I think you are doing many of the right things. One of the things that can make a difference is increasing the flow in your tank. You don't have listed what you are using for power heads. Many of the power heads like the VorTechs have adjustable speeds. You might try that, or just moving your power head so there is more flow across the sand. Try another black out and then decrease the amount of time your lights are on during the day. Cerith snails and Mexican hermit crabs will also help keep your sand bed clean. I know people don't like to add chemicals but when all else fails they can make the difference. Many newer tanks to have problems like this, keep trying and I think you will succeed. If your not doing anything Saturday you should come to Fall Fest there will be lots of people you can talk to there!
     
  5. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

    Cedar Rapids, IA
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    With a newer tank I wouldn't go to the extremes of removing the sand just yet. In my case the tank had been set up for several years and a period of neglect things went downhill and the cyano battle started. I use GFO for phosphate removal. I would also agree with Maureen on getting some CUC that would stir and clean the sand bed. Fighting conch snails I think are another good one for that, maybe even a sand sifting goby.
     
  6. jeremy Acro Addict

    Davenport, IA
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    I have it too. And I have 4 mp40s on a 120 gallon tank running at or close to 100% speed and I still have it.
    I bought a diamond spot goby and he keeps it pretty stirred up so I only have a few small spots here and there. I also added some nassarius snails and fighting chonchs to help.
    And about every 1 or 2 months I vacuum my sand. Which helps a lot.
    I have tried reduced feedings, biopellets, gfo, reduced fish stocking, but the only thing all that did was starve my corals and remaining fish and caused more harm than good.
    I will not add chemical bandaid to my system. That and all my corals in there are acropora with very few montipora mixed in.
    So now I just blast my tank with flow. I removed all the reactors. So now I just have filter socks, an algae scrubber and a large skimmer and I do 3 gallons a day automated water changes.
    It has kept cyano to a minimum. I get more when I don't clean my sand. Which I haven't done in 3 months.
     
  7. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

    La Porte City, IA
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    lots lots more flow. Filter socks to catch everything changed once or twice daily. You can use a scrub brush to scrub the rocks to get it to filter socks.

    Your RODI is a 0 TDS correct?
     
  8. Maureen Experienced Reefkeeper

    Urbandale, IA
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    Fighting conchs are power horses for cleaning the sand bed! I have one but I am wanting to add another to my clean up crew. I am not sure because of Mathew if there is much available right now. I would imagine if it is coming in from a Florida location they are shut down for awhile?
     
  9. MadManMadrid Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Yea those fighing conches are pretty awesome the gf has 4 in her 40 breeder
     
  10. Crosshatch

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    For me it seemed like warmer temp in my tank was an issue. Keep my tank at 79 now and I do not have the problem.
     
  11. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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  12. jeremy Acro Addict

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    I forgot to add. My tank has been up 5 years now.
     
  13. Mike

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    Thanks guys for all the info!!!

    Just as a follow up...

    I did just check my phosphate levels. According to my Hannah Checker, I am at 0ppm for phosphates. My nitrates are at 5ppm. Salinity is at 32.6ppt and pH is at 8.1 (although we have had pretty big pH swings - it varies anywhere from 7.7 to 8.1). I am using a custom Kalkwasser Reactor that I built to dose with Kalk to try to keep my pH up. I doubt that really impacts cyano growth though?

    I do already have a diamond gobi in there. He seems to do a pretty good job. And I have quite a few sand sifting snails (I can't remember what they are called - sorry). I do not having any fighting conchs yet, but will definitely pick a few up (if anybody is placing an order from Live Aquaria, let me know!)

    I have two power heads in my tank running right now for flow. I ordered a third to increase it a little more. I also have a MJ1200 powering a custom UGJ system I built. It doesn't add much flow, but a little....

    We do target feed our coral. Do people usually do that? We are using Rod's Original Reef Food plus mixing with Coral Frenzy. What are people's thoughts on this? Perhaps that is having a negative impact? We do that every 2 to 3 days.

    The temperature in my tank hovers between 80 and 81 degrees. Is that a little high? I don't have a chiller in my system - and my heater is set at 77, but it seems as though the water is always a little bit warmer than that. I was hoping to avoid buying a chiller, but perhaps my temps are a little too high?
     
  14. Mike

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    Here is a picture from just a few minutes ago. It is getting worse! Grr!!!


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  15. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

    West Des Moines, IA
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    Yeah I would back that temp down to 76, 80-81 is way too high IMO
     
  16. Maureen Experienced Reefkeeper

    Urbandale, IA
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    I don't think you will need a chiller, your temp will probably drop a little as the weather gets cooler. You could add a small personal fan or a computer fan to cool the water some if you wanted to try it.
     
  17. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

    La Porte City, IA
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    You didnt share what your TDS is of your RO water.

    Everything is testing zero because the algae is consuming it all.

    A fan blowing across the water surface will reduce temp by 2 degrees.
     
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  18. MadManMadrid Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I run my tank at 80 to 81 no ill effects besides snails dont like it that warm. But things are doing great
     
  19. Mike

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    My TDS is 0. I don't have a RODI yet so am buying jugs of RODI drinking water from HyVee. At least I assume their water is 0 TDS!

    So if the algae consumption is causing zero reading, how do I know if phosphates are my problem? What else can I do to help with that beyond what I am doing already?

    Will blowing a fan in my sump cause a realistic temp drop? Does that really work? Seems like blowing a fan at the surface wouldn't do much to chill it. But maybe I am wrong? I agree the temp is a little high. Just didn't want to drop another $300 on a chiller...Unless somebody has a cheap one they want to sell me!
     
  20. Mike

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    Has anybody tried chemiclean? Everything I have read seems to be good and it says that it works well. But people on here say to stay away from chemicals. Wondering why?
     

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