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Does anybody here not do water changes?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mpivit, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Is there anybody successfully running a reef with no regular water changes? If you are; what is your dosing strategy and how long has your system been running.

     
  2. nickbuol Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

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    Wow. Sounds dangerous. There's junk in your water/rock/sand that can only be removed by water changes.

    I used to be a "top off only" guy with my previous 75 gallon that I had about 15 years ago, but it was just a ticking time bomb waiting for some catalyst to make it crash.

    Why would you not want to do water changes? Even once a month is better than nothing...

    OK. I've said my peace. We'll see what others come back with.
     
  3. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Please don't misunderstand my question.

    I just want to know if anybody feels they are running a successful reef without waterchanges? if they are; what methods are they using to replace depleted elements and how long has their tank has been running?

    I'm not advocating, seeking advice or opinions.
     
  4. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    You said with no 'regular water changes'. Can you be a little more specific as to what you're thinking?
     
  5. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Thanks for the clarification...I didn't think you were advocating no WC's :0) You might get some input from RC and R2R in their large tank forums... I've talked to a few people who have large systems (+1,000g) Some have auto water changes that cycle the changes throughtout the day, some topoff with some salt in the topoff water due to salt creep, some does with trace elements, etc....all because their systems are so large and heavily stocked that the demand is so great, they dose varied and heavily (at least the normal reefer thinks so). Some are near the Ocean/Gulf and actually use that watery.....
     
  6. i went 9 months without doing a water change to see what it would be like and the benifits/issues, i had to dose alk,cal, mag on a daily/by-daily,weekly schedule and everything looked great. i used topoff water to maintain proper SG. i wanted to go a full 12mos and check it there but had to change the water because of a bad powerhead that leaked voltage into the tank and caused a war amongst the corals.

    just wanting to get some expirences to see if there ever was a time in my life that i couldnt perform a WC per illness or vacation or something thru work how long i could actually go.
     
  7. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    I hardly ever do PWCs on the tanks that I run algae scrubbers on but that is mainly because I don't have the time. I don't advocate doing that but running a scrubber can really save your behind if you run into a stretch of a couple months where you just can't do one, as long as you can stay on top of other maintenance on a regular basis.
     
  8. Nik Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I rarely do them either. I run a scrubber, skimmer, GFO, carbon sometimes and bio pellets. I have about 400G total volume.
     
  9. Kungpaoshizi Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    There's a guy in Europe who developed his own 'system'.. Based around minimal water changes and a dosing schedule... Pretty awesome tank.

    I can see how this could be good, but also bad..

    In my experience, tanks seem a bit more stable not doing water changes (at least weekly) but I'm sure there's things we're not testing for that could equate to too much or too little over time.
     
  10. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Thanks guys and gals. I didn't want this to turn into a thread about the merits of doing or not doing waterchanges, just facts about if there are other people successfully running their tanks without them.
    A couple weeks ago there was a post about potassium dosing. I've never dosed or tested for it, truthfully I didn't even know it was in saltwater.My tank has been running great and everything I test for seems to be within normal parameters, but after a year of no changes I'm thinking some of my levels for things I don't test or dose have to be off. I'm probably going to do a waterchange on the order of 20-30% in the next couple of weeks just in case.

    For what it's worth, I run an algae scrubber and a calcium reactor. I haven't done one in 11 months and 13 days.

    Thanks everybody
     
  11. Kungpaoshizi Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I'm trying to remember who it was, don't know if he's in the club anymore or not, there was a guy in Marion who had a 120(?) gallon connected to a fuge behind the wall, I recall he said he only did water changes once every 4 months, his tank was indeed awesome. Seen a few other tanks like it as well and I think the common factor besides dosing/reactors was non-weekly water changes..

    As far as the potassium goes, look into the Zeovit material, they have quite a bit written up about it. It's kinda of a required thing with their system iirc..
    I myself have used the Red Sea test kits for Mg, Potassium, and I think it's strontium, but beware, the potassium test kits are tedious. It literally takes about 20-30 minutes iirc to do the potassium test. Well worth it though to have a ballpark figure of where the numbers are.
     
  12. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    K-Z and Elos Potassion test kits are tedious and 100% worthless IMO, because you have to titrate into a vial then look down into it until you can't see a black dot underneath the vial (very subjective) and then measure the height of the water in the vial (the difference between 350 and 400 ppm is about 2mm, which is about the same as the capillary edge of the water, so this is COMPLETELY subjective).


    The Salifert K (potassium) test kit is much simpler, takes less than 5 mintues, and there is a drastic color shift that leaves zero doubt. I've ran the kit dozens of times and as long as you follow the directions to the letter, it is easy and accurate, at least relatively speaking. Meaning that if you test one sample as 400 and another as 350, they may not actually be 400 and 350, but the difference between the 2 samples is definitely 50. Hobby grade test kits for K are just not really that perfectly accurate, K being one of the worst offenders, but that was before Salifert's kit came out.


    Strontium Salifert kit takes 35-45 minutes. The upside is that you basically test for calcium in the process. The worst is when you do that one and you get an inconclusive reading.
     
  13. Kungpaoshizi Well-Known ReefKeeper

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