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Advice? Essential elements

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jayt, Mar 4, 2017.

  1. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    We all know about the big 3 playing an important role and if 1 is off it can mess up the other. Does this hold true for other elements in the tank such as iron, potassium and what not?
     
  2. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Iron gets reduced very quickly in a reef tank, it's very volatile. That can be helpful actually (phosphate reduction being one)

    Potassium affects monti caps and if it drops it can cause fading/whiting/rtn. When running an algae scrubber, if you have caps, it's a good idea to dose K, and you can dose it up way over 400ppm (like 1000ppm) and be OK

    But it's really about balancing everything out. Some processes slow or stop when one particular nutrient is deficient, and if it's particularly deficient, it might be the culprit and you'll end up chasing other issues and making things worse. This is where the mail-in water test kits really spell the picture out for you
     
  3. jeremy Acro Addict

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    I dose potassium, strontium, iron, and iodine once a week. Like Bud's said the potassium will cause problems and I have seen improvement with iron also. Not so much the others.
    I do the Triton mail in testing a couple times a year to keep an eye on things. I do test the big 3 and potassium with my kits.
     
  4. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I'm just curious because I recently started the red sea color program and for the life of me cannot get the iron test to show at all, potassium and iodine all show at the proper level.
     
  5. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    That might explain the noticeable drop in my phosphates.
     
  6. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Potassium is just over 400. Iodine is .09. I've been dosing 10 ml of iron weekly and cannot get it high enoughto test. Roughly 350 gal twv. Going to order a triton test kit and see what I can learn
     
  7. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    I know green corals use a lot of iron, so if your greens are starting to color up, it may be using it.
     
  8. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I have lots of green. Lol
     
  9. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Most hobbyists never think about supplementing things beyond the basic ions of calcium and alkalinity and the occasional magnesium. Granted iron isn’t mandatory for keeping many marine animals, it is however important for coloration and pigment creation in stony corals. It is also extremely important in applications where refugiums and mass macroalgae is being cultivated. Iron provides an organic compounded which is readily available to both corals as well as macroalgae. Macroalgae will quickly strip valuable iron from a reef system and once depleted will begin to turn from a dark green to yellow. So for longevity of macroalgae iron is extremely important. Maintaining proper iron levels will increase the speed at which macroalgae grows, thus helping to transport nutrients from the reef aquarium for better usage by your macroalgae. It also decreases the likelihood of Caulerpa sp. undergoing sexual reproduction and causing explosions of nutrients in the water column. Iron also is used in photosynthesizing organisms (coral included) in the breakdown of CO2 into glucose.

    Potassium(399ppm) provides the "last of the major ions" in natural seawater. Most hobbyists overlook the importance of potassium since it is not part of the skeletal growth compounds needed by stony corals. However it is just as important for proper balance as well. It is used for creating pigment in stony corals, especially in LPS (Large Polyp Stony) corals.

    Having strontium levels found in natural seawater means more energy available for skeletal growth. Strontium is used by stony corals in the creation of new skeletal growth. Strontium is proven to increase bone density.

    Manganese levels found in natural seawater means more energy available for skeletal growth and brings out the natural colors of your corals.

    Testing these ion levels and, dosing these daily based upon what your reef uses is suggested. I hope this helps.
     
  10. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    It does very much. Only thing that has me curious is that I've never seen a test for strontium or manganese.
     
  11. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Several manufactures for strontium test such as Salifert, Red Sea, Seachem... Hach and Lamotte for Manganese.. Glad it helped;)
     
  12. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Now to get a set wc schedule and add some extra dosers.
     
  13. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Consistent/set WC schedule is very helpful:roflmao: What will you be using the dosers for...big 3? Manually dosing until you find the correct dose for each has always worked well. Cuts swings and time for dialing them in. Then the dosers can be programmed accordingly. Many only use a doser for ALK and CA but it really is up to each person.
     
  14. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    It'll be the big 3, iron, strontium and manganese, i gotta do dosers since I'm away 4 days a week just to keep stability. Idk about manganese for a while as the test kit is $150.
     
  15. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Just got in my salifert strontium test kit, while it is the most involved test kit i have, it also doubles as a calcium test kit. I had just done a 10% wc and only got a reading of 0 - 3 which is low. Guess I either need to up my wc game or dose.
     
  16. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    My experience with strontium is that most salt mixes I have tried and using the strontium test from Salifert, the test result was the same, 0-3ppm. It will take quite a bit of strontium to increase it, and again in my experience.

    Others that dose strontium may have different experiences than me so hopefully others will chime in:D
     
  17. Pygmey Well-Known ReefKeeper

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