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EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED !!!!!!!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Marcus, Apr 16, 2013.

  1. Marcus

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    While looking at my tank last night i discoverd my fish in my reef tank yet AGAIN have ich.. I'm so sick i fighting ich.. Ready to throw in the towel..
     
  2. Nik Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Give me a call 515-419-7670 if I do not answer leave a message and I will call you back. I just got done dealing with this.
     
  3. tasha6

    tasha6 Inactive User

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    Has anyone ever tried the transfer method for ick?
     
  4. Big John

    Big John Inactive User

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    What is the transfer method?
     
  5. tasha6

    tasha6 Inactive User

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    Try this link, http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/s...?t=1996525 it explains it better than I ever could.


    You use 2 different tanks and move the fish every 3 days between the 2, washing out each tank in between. The timing of the transfer is based on the ich cycle and after 13 days the fish should be free of ich.



     
  6. tasha6

    tasha6 Inactive User

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    Can't seem to get the link to work.
     
  7. shawn

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    i fought ick 2 times killing everything and invested in a cleaner wrasse and have had no issues since he is constantly cleaning the fish i think its the best addition to my tank and ive got a lot of tangs
     
  8. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    Cleaner wrasse or shrimp do not clean or eat the ich parasite.
     
  9. shawn

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    hmmm!!?? im not very experienced but from everything ive read on them or other peoples posts on the cleaner wrasse says they do but like i said im just going off of what other people have said here is a a post when i searched cleaner wrasse anyways



    Caleb R
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    I have a Cleaner Common Wrasse and I find it hard to believe that they will starve to death. My Wrasse eats smashed cubes of frozen brine shrimp. This is a hardy little fish if you take the time to research other food sources for it. It is one of the most effective ways to treat white-spot (ich).

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  10. mthomp

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    http://joejaworski.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/the-marine-ich-epidemic/
    Read number 3

     
  11. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

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    Not to add panic, but there is a life cycle of Ich that lands it in the gills of fish. There it is protected by even the most harsh treatments. The gill mucus protect that stage. I did some research and came across that information. There is no way to get it all. Its like a common cold. You may always have the germ in or on you body. When you are at your weakest is when it attacks.
    Kp
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  12. sharkks

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    Not that I am recommending this but if your fish do manage to make it through and build up a tolerance the parasite will eventually burn itself down but it could take around 9 months and you would need to ensure no new Ich was introduced to the system.

    I realize that is not an ideal choice but for those people not able to tear apart their reef or without a quarantine system it is possible to eventually come out of it. It is never as good as treating the fish of course as there is no way to know if the fish will survive to build up the tolerance.
     
  13. Shayna

    Shayna Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    People are skeptical and I won't claim miracles, but here's what I did and I considered it a big success:

    A year or two ago I had an ich breakout when I added a new cherub angel. I beat it without losing any fish or having it come back. (I did lose the angel, but many months later to an unrelated accident, still have my clowns, watchman goby, and firefish doing great.) The outbreak wasn't horrible, but the angel had at least 30 spots on it, so it wasn't good.

    I feed frozen Rod's food to my tank, so what I did is crush a whole fresh clove of garlic in a small tupperware container and soak the frozen food in it. I put about 5 days worth of food in there with the garlic, so after each feeding, I still had plenty of food marinating in that garlic. (I use a turkey baster to suck out the amount for each feeding.) I also increased my water changes A LOT, to manually remove as much ich as possible. I also had a blue neon cleaner goby at that time did clean the angelfish, but I'm unsure if that had any impact.

    I noticed a significant improvement almost right away, but I kept up that treatment for a couple weeks or so, maybe 3 weeks. I can't remember how long, but I kept it up for quite some time after the ich wasn't visible any longer. It never resurfaced.

    Good luck.
     
  14. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

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    I have use this idea too and with great success.





    KP



     
  15. Marcus

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    Thanks alot for all of your replies.. I feed sachem garlic everyday and still couldn't win. I have in the past taking all of the fish out and QT them for 6 weeks and left the tank fallow I have a large QT system so thats not a big deal. It seems to work for a while but comes back eventually. I'm running a 36 watt UV also.


    After coming home to my tangs covered i took the entire tank down again last night and removed all the fish except my 6 line wrasse which i couldnt find, he must hide out in a rock so now ill need to trap him GREAT.. So now im able to cure the fish but im very skeptical that the tank will be free of ich. Short off just not haveing tangs in my reef tank i'm at a complete loss
     
  16. Marcus

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    Cleaner Wrasse's and shrimp can't clean ICH the parasite is anchored below the skin. Never the less i have both in my tank



     
  17. Tickyty

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    42 days is not long enough. There are studies that show that you need to go another4 weeks. As for the fish if you treat with Hyposalinity method or with copper during the QT process that will ensure that nothing enters into the DT once you have left it fallow for 72 days. The UV is good at slowing the growth of outbreaks. It will not prevent since not all of the water in our system passes through it and you need direct contact with the UV light to kill them in their free floating state. Also dipping or QT'ing all inverts and corals prior to introduction into your tank is another way to keep them buggers out of the DT. There is no short cut, either we learn to live with the consequences of our decisions or we take the necessary steps in prevention. Nothing is 100% fool proof but there are proven methods to reduce the risk to nearly zero. Good luck and fight on, it seems like you have already decided to go the fallow route again. RC has a sticky from Lebeeca (I think it was him) that talks about the complete lifecycle of Ich and in depth methods for dealing with it.
     
  18. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

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    This is just one of the many site I read up on ich when I was looking into it.


    http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/ichparasiticdiseases/ss/sbsichlifecycle.htm


    Good luck
     
  19. dead fish Dead Fish

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    My advice: If all fish aren't infected take a deep breath, try to relax and stay calm. There are methods folks use to rid their tanks of ICH, but I'm skeptical that any system could ever remain free of the parasite no matter what. I've battled ICh, brought fish I was sure were goners back and every once in a while I still see a couple spots. But the key is to just keep the stress levels low on the tank and don't overreact.
     

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