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Feeding Skimmer and Tank Return from Same Pump? Feasible?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Eric, Oct 26, 2012.

  1. Eric Experienced Reefkeeper

    West Des Moines, IA
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    Feeding Skimmer and Tank Return from Same Pump?[/b]


    First - a little background:

    I'm moving from my 72g to a 120g and need to maximize the output from my skimmer. I have an ETSS Reef Devil Deluxe that's rated for an SPS tank of up to 120 gallons (ETSS rates their skimmers based on bioload).

    In order to filter 120 gallons the skimmer needs a pressure rated pump and for my skimmer the best pump is an Iwaki 20RLT. For those not familiar with the ETSS skimmers they have a patented design called "downdraft" where water is forced through a tower full of bioballs - they are the only company that can produce this design (based on patents). The design has benefits - exceptional skimming capabilities and the ability to remove phosphates while preserving plankton - as well as drawbacks - the need for a pressure rated pump that typically translates into expensive (pump and electricity). Because of the design of their downdraft design the pump will see the equivalent of 10 - 12 feet of head.

    My intention was to use an Iwaki 20RLT dedicated to the skimmer and another pump to serve as the tank return. Based on the processing power of my skimmer it needs to be fed 350-450 gph - that's my goal for the return.

    The 20RLT, based on output graphs, would produce approximately 270 gph to the skimmer (using 11ft of head).

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    The Iwaki 20RLT has the following specifications:

    HP: 1/38

    Flow: 8.2 GPM (492 GPH)

    Max Head: 14.1 ft

    Max pressure: 9.95 PSI

    I came across a deal on an Iwaki 55RLT (Japanese motor) that I couldn't pass up. My thought is that this pump could feed the pump as well as provide ample return but I'm open to discussion.

    Using the head loss calculator on Reef Central, this pump would deliver approximately 922 GPH return (too much) without the skimmer. I would split the output to feed the skimmer and use valves to control the flow. As this is also a pressure rated pump it should give the skimmer what it needs and using the same 11ft head this would produce 840 GPH to the skimmer - again way too much.

    55RLT specifications:

    HP: 1/8

    Flow: 18.4 GPM (1104 GPH)

    Max Head: 26.9

    Max pressure: 17.06 PSI

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    Thoughts?

    Please share!

    -Eric

     
  2. Big D Well-Known ReefKeeper

    889
    Center Point
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    some times you have to watch useing vales on pumps because you will burn them up or make them run hotter then the norm . Thats my 2 cents worth /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/smile.gif
     
  3. Jamie

    Jamie Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

    591
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    I know it doesn’t sound right but it actually works the opposite of this, the more water a pump moves the harder it has to work and more energy it takes to move it. More power consumption = more heat which = more wear. Throttling a impeller pump back actually causes them to use less electricity and run cooler. If you have a kill-a-watt handy you can verify this yourself. It will put more pressure on fittings and seals if it is a external pump but there designed for that.

    I say go for it as long as you can get the flow and pressure through the skimmer set right it won't know if it has it's own dedicated pump running it or not.






     
  4. MXC207 Well-Known ReefKeeper

    634
    Cedar Rapids
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    I would eric. I plan to use that big ol pump im using on the new setup for my returns and reactors. Skimmer has built in pump but otherwise id do that too. Its a good way to clear up space in your sump/stand and use the most out of your pump. Have a backup pump handy tho. I need to find one as well. Dont think many ppl are running the size i am tho lol.
     
  5. Eric Experienced Reefkeeper

    West Des Moines, IA
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    +33 / 0 / -0
    Thanks Casey!

    I'll give it a shot as this pump has all kinds of head pressure associated with it /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/biggrin.gif

    -Eric
     
  6. ninjazx777 Experienced Reefkeeper

    Des Moines, IA
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    +7 / 1 / -0
    I run several tanks, reactors, and a big skimmer off a reeflo hammerhead and haven't had a problem for close to a year now
     
  7. Eric Experienced Reefkeeper

    West Des Moines, IA
    Ratings:
    +33 / 0 / -0

    Thanks for the replies!

    Any particular valve type I should lean towards or stay away from when I put this together?

    -Eric
     
  8. ninjazx777 Experienced Reefkeeper

    Des Moines, IA
    Ratings:
    +7 / 1 / -0
    double union pvc ball valves from lowes work the best in my opinion
     

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