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Help!! Finally! I added water to the tank today.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by leymas, Dec 7, 2015.

  1. leymas

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    Des Moines
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    My overflow is gurgling. What could be the problem? It doesn't seem to be keeping a steady intake, from the tank.
    The water level in the overflow drops, then I get a air-bubble coming back-up the overflow pipe.

    Have to say, this overflow is nosier then I thought it would be.

    Thanks,
     
  2. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

    New London
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    what pump and what type of overflow?
     
  3. Armydog

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    What I have done to quite it down is take an airline tube and stick it as far as you can in the overflow tube. Leave the end of the airline sticking out of the tube in the open air.

    Give that a try
     
  4. leymas

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    It has a installed airline tube.
    Aqueon AQ 1700 pump. Overflow in the corner. 75 Gal tank.
     
  5. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

    West Des Moines, IA
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    Is your drain pipe below the sump water level, or above?

    Is this a reef-ready tank with a Durso standpipe?

    Is there a hole on the top of the elbow on the top of the standpipe elbow?

    What brand and model pump are you running?

    So you have a control valve on the return pump?

    Pictures?
     
  6. leymas

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  7. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Durso standpipes are finicky and I'm not really an expert on them. I'd just be guessing so someone else might chime in here to help out.

    If it is filling up and then the level drops suddenly and that cycle repeats, then it sounds like it isn't tuned right. What I think happens is that as the water level rises, the flow increases until it flushes out and then sucks air in and gurgles. The water column inside the pipe pulls the water down faster as the water level rises until it exceeds the water rate coming into the overflow box. So you have to match the rate of flow coming into the overflow box.

    Logic tells me that you would want to adjust the standpipe lower in the overflow box so that the flow can't get pulled in faster, meaning, the water column within the standpipe hits a maximum level and that maximum is below the incoming flow rate. If you raise it higher, then the maximum level increases and you should get a faster cycling of flushing/gurgling/filling. But I might have the reversed.

    Point is, mess with the standpipe level. You might have to mess with the return pump valve too.

    Adding the airline I don't think is necessary if you can adjust the standpipe properly. It's kind of a tuning process. Adding the airline lets air intrude into the pipe and this slows the rate of flow and prevents the siphon effect. But if you slow it down by adding the standpipe, then the water flow into the overflow box overwhelms the pipe and closes it off and it siphons until the open elbow is exposed to air.

    Hope that helps....
     
  8. leymas

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    That's what it's doing. I was able to move the pipe a little. That helped some. Little scared of causing a leak.
     
  9. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    A durso should have a sliding standpipe, one part sleeved over the other. If it's a cut pipe, then you would want to adjust the pump flow
     
  10. leymas

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    Des Moines
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    I reposition the hose going into the refugium. That seems to have fixed it. I'll just have to find a more permanent fix.
     
  11. Roman Experienced Reefkeeper

    Cedar Rapids, IA
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    I have found that if you use a flexible hose and have the most direct route to sump with gradual bends in line so the water flows as efficient as it can you won't have this issue .

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  12. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

    West Des Moines, IA
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    Gradual bends will help prevent the drain line from "closing off" and will generally increase flow, as 90 degree bends create a lot of turbulence points. But I'm not sure that's the issue he's having. @leymas@leymas what does your drain plumbing look like? Can you post a picture or two? That might help clarify/pinpoint the issue
     
  13. Waterrat41 Addicted Reefer GIRS Member

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    I had the same issue when I set up my tank, found out I had the elbows on the top of the overflow tube on backwards.( the airline tube should be centered on the standpipe.)
     
  14. leymas

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    Des Moines
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    My hose is too long, has a loop in it. I have it hung up now. So I don't get the gurgling nose, and it has a steady rate of flow now.
    I'll attempt to post a picture of it.
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  15. Zach Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    That Turn right above me is an issue. Your tank needs to build up enough pressure to then (literally) 'flush' the water back up o and then into the sump.
     
  16. leymas

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    Des Moines
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    I've been thinking. At some point I'll use pvc and pipe it.
     
  17. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Harpers Ferry, IA
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    I tried to bigger pump once and mine did the same thing. Hob overflow couldn't handle the extra water. Cut flow and it's quiet as can be.
     
  18. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

    Cedar Rapids, IA
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    You definitely need to get that loop out of there. You could end up with an airlock in there at some point and without enough pressure from the return to "flush" it though as @Zach@Zach said you could end up with a flood.
     
  19. leymas

    53
    Des Moines
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    update. Redone the plumbing today. I think this looks much better. :)

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  20. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

    Cedar Rapids, IA
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    gurgling gone?
     

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