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Free work for family?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by rockinsmall, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. rockinsmall

    rockinsmall Inactive User

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    I went to ISU for Fine Arts and have sold artwork since, both drawing, painting, and photography. This is my business and hobby.
    My sister believes she is entitled to my artwork for free. She will ask me to paint for her or take her family photos. Yesterday she told me she didnt want to spend the $300 for a "professional" to come in and do the photos of her house for her real estate listing. So, she asked me to do them, which I went and did immediately. She also asked me to do a series of paintings for her home, she bought the paint and canvas. That night, she said she was going to go pick up dinner and asked what i wanted. i picked something out and when she returned she asked for the money for my portion. She has all these plans for paintings she wants done but has no intention of paying me for them.
    6 months ago I asked if her husband would put in a new outlet for me with a gfi, i would buy all materials, well, he said he would but never did and i had to pay an electrician to do it.
    My issue is....  am i selfish for expecting her to purchase my work? I mean, these paintings go for $300 and i would charge her $50, but she could at least pay for dinner that night, right?  Or, should I just do as she asks without and compensation because she is family? Also, I am recently laid off and her household takes in around 140k a year. I make less than 20k and my bills are the same as hers.
     
  2. Guest

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    you never charge family i know i would never do it i could not sleep if i charged my mom or dad or sister or brother if any thign just dont so the work but never charge your love ones
     
  3. wesly2007 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    i have the same delema im a professional photographer and my family expects me to take family photos for them but i dont even like portrait photography. on top of that they expect to get everything free. well they pretty much do i just charge them what i get charged for the prints.  i think its the least i can do, i enjoy having the photos of my family and i would never expect them to have to go somewhere else to get them done.  now friends r a different story they may get a discount depending on what they have to offer me in return. 
    this is just my two cents on the whole thing.
    you could also think of it as free advertisement.
     
  4. slovan

    slovan Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Just tell her you don't have time to do things for her, you are trying to earn a living. If she pays the same then it is a different story. Family or not, your survival comes first.
     
  5. rockinsmall

    rockinsmall Inactive User

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    oh, it isnt free advertising.. she wont let me sign my own work.

    also, my sister and I are not close. She only calls when she wants something from me. I wouldnt mind if she would do things for me too, but she never does. I needed a ride to pick up my car when I got a flat, and she told me i should ask my friends first.
     
  6. rockinsmall

    rockinsmall Inactive User

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    slovan- you actually see my problem. She does verrry well for herself, i would think a sister would want to be supportive of how i make my money.
     
  7. mthomp

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    They should offer to pay. if they offer then i typically refuse the offer and make a gift out of it. If they dont offer I remember that next time and seem to find myself swamped with work or something and just cant find the time to help em out.

    Since I dont have brothers or sisters this is the rule i use with my friends.
     
  8. sparky101

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    I personally agree with Lindsay. I'm an electrician and wired my moms basement and charged her for my labor hours. I charged her less than I would charge non family of course but I charged her none the less. I think that if you do work for family that is what you do for a career then you have the right to ask for payment. I'm a journeyman electrician and I expect to be compensated for my professional work. Not to say I always charge family because I don't, i've done plenty of small stuff, change a light, outlet, etc. for family for free. Helping family move some furniture or mow their yard is one thing, but working for them on your free time, giving them professional grade results, is another.
    Family aside I think that if someone offers to get you something for dinner you should assume they would pay for it. I would.

    Whether or not you do it for free or want to get paid, I think she should at least have the courtesy to offer to pay you. If you take the money or do it for charity is your decision.
     
  9. rockinsmall

    rockinsmall Inactive User

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    I wouldnt mind doing free work for her, but she never is there for me when i need something.

    BTW- Sparky is the one that drove all the way from Lincoln to do that gfi, and he came over in less than a couple days of me asking...
     
  10. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    Sounds like she is taking advantage of you big time. She should offer to pay you for your work. After all while your doing her photos and paintings you could be doing someone elses and making a pay check. I have seen some of your work and it is realy good.
     
  11. saltwaternewbee

    saltwaternewbee Inactive User

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    I hear what you're saying. I'm an auto mechanic and general contractor and my family does the same thing. I hear from them when somethings broke and they don't want to spend anything to fix it. They assume i'll fix it...and I usually do, but when I hand them the bill for the parts only. I get the look like I sprouted a 3rd eye or something. However if I need someone to let out our dogs when we can't...it's a major inconvenience. Glad for friends!!!!
     
  12. Nemesis

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    You pick your friends not your family. Old saying but true , real friends will always be there ,family thats another story. Your sister needs a lesson in being grateful. One thing you never do as an artist though is not sign your work. If she wants paintings for free , well then your name will be on them . As for not buying you dinner , come on . I have a brother who I love to death but I only hear from when he needs something but I have come to deal with that because family is family. Just don't let them walk all over you. Like mthomp said just be to busy next time and see if she gets the point. Good luck
     
  13. vikubz Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I think it is very telling that she won't let you sign your work. Time for a foot to descend?
     
  14. rockinsmall

    rockinsmall Inactive User

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    I guess more than money, its her sense of entitlement. I know lisa has been this way since she was a child, she always demanded the best from other people while giving nothing back.

    Not being able to sign my own work really hurts. This time i demanded that i put my initials LAJ at the bottom of this piece i did and she asked for her money back from the supplies she bought!
     
  15. slovan

    slovan Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Unbelievable.  Knowing your current situation and hers, she should ask you to do work for her and pay full price at the very least.  And not being able to sign your work?  Take back your work and put your initials on it.  You will feel better about it and maybe it will make her think about why you did it. 
     
  16. Greenonion

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    I would sit down and talk with her, behavior like this usually means theres an underlying issue. Your time is a valiable thing, everyone's is. Doing small things for family is great and builds good bonds, even a couple free paintings were she just covers the supplies to show your love. But for her to ask you to do it for free and ask you not to mark is as your own means she doesn't respect your time and talent.
     
  17. ninjazx777 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I am lucky I guess. My whole family helps each other out no mater what. we always remember that if you need a favor you will eventualy have do a favor in return. but if my brother did what your sister is doing first thing i would kick his *** second i would go into his house and take all my paintings and photographs back. i would tell him that i leased them to him at a discount and the lease is up and if he wants to keep them he will have to pay full price. at the very least i would let him know to never ask me for anything again
     
  18. ninjazx777 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    also if I had a family member who could paint and draw good I would want them to put there name on everything they made for me, because I would be proud of there talent and i would want everyone who sees it to know that they are a member of my family
     
  19. rockinsmall

    rockinsmall Inactive User

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    The underlining issue with Lisa, is that she is very manipulative and nobody ever says no to her. She has a way of making you feel small and guilty when she doesnt get what she wants. I watched her do this to my parents since we were tiny kids. I watched them hand her money day after day. I never asked so I never had anything nice, which was fine, I didn't find such things imporatant. When my mom won $500 at the Casino on a girls night when we were teenagers, Lisa threw a fit that she didn't get any of it. I watched my mom cry and hand her the money. She took it.

    The saddest thing is, she is married and her and her husband do very well. She is 30 and my mom still will buy her groceries, clothes, pays for her cell phone, and various other things. lisa will just call mom and ask her to buy her crap.

    Thank you for validating some of my feelings. I am just finding myself getting fed up with her requests. Like i said, it would be different if she would return a favor or two.
     
  20. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Agreed.  She is your sister, but that doesn't mean you are obliged to let her use you.  If you want to do things for her, be very clear of what is expected beforehand.  Maybe tell her the discounted rate for family/close friends is X amount, payable upon completion etc.  Be very clear, get it in writing, or do whatever you would do with anyone buying your work.  Sign your work!  She has no right to say you can't, cripes!  Its your creation, be proud of it and don't give it to someone undeserving, even if she is your sister.  She sounds a bit self-absorbed and uncaring of your situation.......
     

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