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Advice? Help with water parameters?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by xMermaidxx, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. xMermaidxx

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    So, I'm not new to saltwater but I am new to reef keeping. I recently acquired some corals from @beckerj3@beckerj3 and so far everything has been doing good. I tested my water yesterday (with a reefmaster test kit for the first time) and would like to post the results and see if anyone sees any problems with these parameters and would advise me to change something. I'm only asking because I'm a newb at this and I want to make sure I'm doing this right and keep everything happy, healthy, and alive. Actually right now as I'm writing this, my hammer coral is a little shrunken up (not sure if it's a problem or not, as I have only had this coral since Sunday and am not sure if it's common behavior or if it's not liking something in my tank).

    So, without further ado here are my parameters (all are from API test kits except for magnesium which comes from a Salifert test kit):

    Ammonia- 0ppm
    Nitrite- 0ppm
    PH-8.1
    Nitrate- 10ppm (I know, I know... too high for my liking. My water change schedule has changed lately and I don't think 1 bucket every week is a thorough cleaning.)
    Phosphate- .5 (again, too high.)
    Calcium- 520ppm
    dKH- 9
    Magnesium- 1480

    A little about my system: My aquarium is a 46 gal sumpless (for now) bowfront. I have two clownfish, a purple firefish, a condy anemone, some snails, and crabs. My corals are: GSP, a green sinularia coral, two candy cane corals, some mushrooms, and the hammer. I am not currently dosing anything, just using my RODI water and Instant Ocean Reef Crystals.

    I think my next aquarium purchase will be a reactor, but am not sure what would be best to run in it to keep those nutrients down (nitrate/phos). So, any advice on any of the aforementioned parameters, coral placement, preferred reactor media, etc would be appreciated.

    And here is a crappy quality photo of my bowfront taken right before making this post :) :

    aquarium.jpg
     
  2. Armydog

    Armydog Expert Reefkeeper

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    I guess for me I wouldn't trust the readings from an api test kit.

    Your mag is a little high also you want that around 1350

    Calcium should be around 430
     
  3. xMermaidxx

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    I figured that. How do I lower them? If I did a water change with Reef Crystals wouldn't it just be putting the same elements back into the water? Or is there another way to lower it?
     
  4. Armydog

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    Reef crystals doesnt test that high on the mag and calcium.

    What else are you putting in the tank? Supplements ect
     
  5. jeremy Acro Addict

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    As long as your alkalinity is good and not fluctuating I wouldn't worry to much about calcium and magnesium. Your salt has elevated levels of both. When your tank uses it ,it will come down. Like Donny said API tests suck. I use red sea kits and like them. There are a lot of different good ones out there.
    If you do get a reactor just take it easy on the gfo and or bio pellets. So you don't suddenly strip all the nutrients out of your water and piss you corals off.
     
  6. Armydog

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    High mag can kill zoas though
     
  7. jeremy Acro Addict

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    Hmmm. I run mine 1400 all the time. I guess I never got 1500 plus. I guess that would cause some problems.
    How high is too high for zoas?
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    Is it long term exposure to high mag?
     
  8. xMermaidxx

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    @Armydog@Armydog I'm not adding any supplements whatsoever to the tank. I've only changed my water every week with one five gallon bucket with reef crystal salts @ 1.024 salinity. I just bought the test kits from amazon, so maybe the api test kit is the problem?

    @jeremy@jeremy Okay, I'll keep an eye on the alk. What do I do if the alk fluctuates? And if I got a reactor would I run it part time or....? I'm worried about the nitrates and phosphates, or are they not that bad?
     
  9. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    If you arent adding any supplements, just continue with water changes.

    Alk is the main key, I cant stress that enough. I would purchase the alk digital tester that hanna has. If you can keep alk in line with weekly water changes, everything else will also be in line.

    Hammers and similar can be pissy when conditions are changed. Be patient with them and keep an eye on them.

    What are your lights?
     
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  10. jeremy Acro Addict

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    If your not dosing anything and just doing water changes you alkalinity will be fine. When your tank starts using more you may have to dose something to keep it at the level you want. And we're it's at now is good. My guess is you calcium and magnesium aren't that high due to test kit accuracy.
    If you run a reactor it's all the time you adjust the amount of media you use.
    Like for phosphates maybe start with half the amount and if your po4 is actually .5 then you media will be exausted in about a week or less and when you change it out put 2/3 amount and go from there. Test every couple days until it's lowered and change media monthly or a little sooner if needed.
    Lowering nitrates you could do bio pellets but I wouldn't recommend it. Water changes and reduced feedings work well.
     
  11. xMermaidxx

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    @xroads@xroads Definitely will watch the alk and maybe get some better test kits for the big 3 (cal/alk/mag). I'm just kind of bummed I wasted my money thinking I was getting a decent deal with the API kits. What do I do if the alk fluctuates? Dose it?

    The hammer has actually come out of his shriveled stage. I don't know what he was doing.

    And my lights are Coralife PC's: 1 96 watt doubled bulb 10000K and 1 96 watt double bulb actinic. Will be replacing it soon, I'm thinking of going with some Ocean Revive leds.
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    @jeremy@jeremy Thank you so much for the advice. I appreciate it. That definitely cleared things up in my mind for the most part.
     
  12. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Your test kit is not that bad, none of them are every 100% accurate. Keep testing and using it, what you are looking for is consistency.

    Now with alk. That is the first thing that water changes wont be able to keep up with. So keep doing water changes, keep testing. When things start to fall then start dosing. A good 2 part from BRS or even kalk water is the easiest.

    You probably wont have to worry about it with such a light coral load. It is when you have a bunch of corals that are growing fast is when you need to worry about dosing. For now, change water, test and observe.

    Dont take my advice, or anyone elses as 100% truth. Listen to everyone, research and form your own opnion.

    BTW, your lights are very weak for SPS, so place it high.
     
  13. jeremy Acro Addict

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    You are in a good active area. Lots of refers over there. Go to meetings and ask questions. If possible go look at different people's tanks and see what they do. Have them look at yours. And like Craig said do you research. Lots of different ways to do things.
    If you were closer I would have you swing by and look at how I do some of it.
    I still use API tests for my small tank. I just check for stability not chasing a certain number.
     
  14. xMermaidxx

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    Thanks guys! I appreciate it. I feel like I've gotten some good solid advice here, mainly because everything you guys have suggested was what I was leaning towards anyways. It's sort of confusing when you first get into the reefing end of the hobby. I just want to make sure I'm doing things right,but I think you guys have given me some good tips and cleared things up for me that I was unsure about. I really do appreciate it.

    I figured my calc and mag were a little bit on the high end (and my trates and phos; which is why I posted), but I just don't want to be reactive about anything because I feel that's when you tend to find yourself in a pickle in this hobby. So, I'll just keep riding it out and doing my water changes and testing.

    Definitely going to be changing some things about my tank in the future here, which is my wish/to do list. Like adding the reactor and getting some new lights and a sump (getting the reactor first, then the lights, then I'll worry about a sump because I can't really drill my tank and will have to add a crappy HOB overflow). Hopefully by the time I do all of this I'll understand the reefing end of the hobby better, as I did not know that alk would be the first level to drop (thanks @xroads@xroads and also thanks for the reactor/gfo tip).

    If anyone else thinks they have any other good tips, I'm all ears... or eyes in this case. :)
     
  15. Armydog

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    Not sure I read this on reef2reef someone did some experiment on it cause with higher mag values can help with algae issues.

    There is a way to calibrate api test kits or at least I have read that before. But in time I suggest hanna for alk and phosphates. Then after the testing meeting salifert seems very good for the rest
     
  16. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    I use Salifert test kits for the big three: Calcium, alk, and magnesium. Unfortunately you had already had the API test kits on order when we first spoke, or I would have steered you to the Salifert. If you want to bring a water sample over, I'd be happy to test it using my Salifert test kits. Otherwise bring a sample to Fall fest.

    Actually I still use API for testing Nitrates, and the ocassional Ammonia test. My Nitrates are generally low - in the 0-5 range, so API has worked just fine. If I get worried for some reason, I also have the Red Sea Nitrate test kit that I can use for verification. But the API is much quicker, so unless I really think I have a problem, that's what I generally use.

    I use the Hanna checker for phosphates. Seems that people either love it or hate it. I seem to get fairly consistent readings, but I know others that seem to get readings that vary alot.
     
  17. xMermaidxx

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    @beckerj3@beckerj3 I think I'm going to slowly order the Salifert ones for the calc and alk since I already have the mag one and I will definitely bring some water to Fall Fest. My main concern is getting a reactor on this tank as I'm a little worried about the nutrients. My nitrates were at 5 ppm but are now at 10 ppm for some reason (probably because I've only done one 5 gal bucket every week since buying the corals). Do you think a 10 gallon water change would shock the corals or would I be okay?
     
  18. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    Before addressing nitrates, there are a few other things I would ask about.

    1) What are you using to check salinity? The plastic hydrometers are notouriously bad for giving inaccurate readings. Most people move to a refractometer as soon as they can. Much more accurate. That said, I used a plastic hydrometer for several years before I bought my refractometer. But when I first started adding corals, I compared the hydrometer against the refractometer and then physically marked the hydrometer where it would be correct. The reason I'm asking is that you say that your make-up water is at 1.024 - which is low. Most run closer to 1.026. If your water is really at 1.024 and you raise it to 1.026 - Calcium, alk, and mag will also go up - which then overall puts into questions (at least for me), what your true values are for calcium, alk, and mag.

    2) Salt mix: Instant Ocean makes 2 salt mixes - Instant ocean and Reef Crystals. If your levels of calcium, alk, and mag are too high, that would be another alternative until you have enough corals that need the extra boost.

    3) You have a very light fish load. What are you feeding? With such a small fish load, I find it surprising that your phosphates and nitrates are that high - given that you have been doing a 5 gal change weekly on a 46 gal tank. 10% should be more than sufficient, IMO - unless you are really overfeeding or feeding a food with alot of nitrates/phosphates.

    4) IMO, your nitrates are a bit high, but not THAT bad. I never worry when my nitrates are 0-5. And then when they are 5-10, I start looking to reduce them, but I never make BIG changes. My opinion is that your phosphates at .5 are a much bigger concern. Also - where did you get your rock?

    So, I think my 1st suggestion is to get your test results validated by someone else - and then make a decision as to what needs to be changed.
     
  19. xMermaidxx

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    1. To check salinity I am using a hydrometer not a refractometer. I usually do two readings before settling on anything, since sometimes it swings up or down depending on how it's feeling. That is another thing I should look into changing into the future... And yes, my reading from my hydrometer is 1.024 and I have only been using reef crystals, no dosing. I don't get why all of my values are so high; like you said if I raise my salinity everything will go up. I just don't get it. Unless the test kits are faulty or I did something wrong.

    2. Are you saying I should switch from Reef Crystals to Instant Ocean until some of those values are used up? That I can do.

    3. Lately I have been trying to not over feed and I think I'm doing a good job of it, but I have been overfeeding in the past. That's something I'm actively trying to work on. I have been feeding them Hikari mysis with Selcon added to boost their vitamins. I don't bother rinsing the Hikari Mysis, do you think I should start? I also have some baby brine shrimp to occasionally feed the corals, which I haven't done too much of. I think I've done it maybe once since I've bought them from you (if they need to be fed more; don't need to be fed at all-- let me know.)

    4. Yeah, I figure a 10 gallon WC the next time I do one will probably be okay and get everything back into order as far as nitrates go. I may bring some water into Seascapes or something-- maybe they can validate or invalidate my test kits to see if something is off. And the rock came from a GIRS user who was getting out of the hobby; didn't seem like it had been neglected, but then again he had it in a garbage can with a powerhead on it. I don't know if the tank it came out of was neglected or not. When I got it, I didn't have an RODI unit and my nitrates out of the tap were horrendous (like above 80ppm), so maybe it's my fault.
     
  20. xiaoxiy

    xiaoxiy

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    To echo what Becker said, you're parameters aren't that off. Furthermore, higher nutrient levels (within reason) rare kills corals. Dropping nutrient levels too fast though, will.

    Again, with parameter changes (nutrients included), tweak them slowly. Corals like stability. Instability kills corals.

    Also, never dose/actively try to tweak a parameter that you cannot accurately test for. The guesswork makes for headaches when things go south.
     

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