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Advice? Help with water parameters?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by xMermaidxx, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

    West Des Moines, IA
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    To echo what @xroads@xroads said, listen to opinions/options, do some research, and then decide on you own. There is not 'one' perfect way to do it - and everyone will have a bit different opinion on what is best and what 'priorities' should be.

    I also would not throw out the API test kits. They aren't the best, but they aren't bad. The problem with them comes primarily (IMO) from having to judge the color changes. So, if you are fairly precise and pay attention, you will judge the color the same way each time, and you will get fairly consistent results. With test kits, the two concerns are consistency and accuracy. If you can get consistent results, you will maintain stability. Then as long as the accuracy is within reason - you can be ok. So I would wait until you use up the test kit and then switch to a better one. Just starting out with corals, you don't need to be chasing the numbers that much as long as they are consistent and within the desirable range. I used API kits for quite a while until I switched to the Salifert test kits. Same goes with the hydrometer. I used one for several years. Once I found out it was inaccurate, I compared it with someone that had a refractometer. Then I used a magic marker to put a mark on the true spot for a salinity of 1.026. It was probably a year after I started adding corals that I got a refractometer. Not saying that that wouldn't be one of my first priorities, just saying first decide on your priorities.

    Since you don't have a sump, do you have a skimmer? That wasn't mentioned. If you don't, getting one would be a top priority.

    If you are needing a skimmer or better one, you can often buy a used one from a club member at a reduced price. (You are planning to join soon - right????? Its well worth it. Get in free to the Fests, attend club meetings, buy club fish/coral food.......) You could post that you are looking for a skimmer... I bought a used Reef Octopus skimmer off a club member back in 2010 and used it for 4 years. It was way better than the one I originally bought.

    Salt mix: If your calcium levels are truly high, using Instant Ocean (not their Reef Crystals version), is an option with lower calcium that will help keep your calcium levels from increasing so much. It is cheaper than Reef Crystals. So, you could use it for awhile until you have enough coral that start needing the added calcium - and then switch back to Reef Crystals.

    Also, don't forget that Black Friday will be coming up in about a month. You can usually get some good deals on the additional equipment and/or test kits you may want. As an example, last year when I was ready to purchase a new skimmer, I decided on the Vertex Omega. The regular price for it was $399. It was HUGELY discounted and I got it for $250. Now, I'm not saying that everything is discounted 35%, but you will find many things discounted 10 or maybe 20%.

    10 gallon water change: While this will help some in reducing your nitrates and phosphates, keep the following in mind. Assuming that you have 40 gallon of water in your tank, a 10 gallon water change would be a 25% water change. So if your make-up water has 0 Nitrates in it, and the water in your tank has 10 nitrates - your end result will be 7.5 nitrates. Don't be surprised if you can't tell the difference on your color scale of the test kit! If your phosphates are .5, that amt of water change would reduce them to .37 What test kit are you using for that?
     
  2. xMermaidxx

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    @beckerj3@beckerj3 I do have a skimmer, but I could probably use a better one. ;) Haha, all things within due time though as I have a lot of upgrades I could do. Mine is a Coralife, so probably not the best skimmer on the market but it's what I chose to buy almost ten years ago back before I even did saltwater. It wasn't a super informed choice. And yes, I do plan on joining GIRS very soon here as I am, and have been for the last few months, enjoying the boards and all the great people on here. :)

    So here's what I'm thinking: Today, I'm going to retest my water and see what if any variables have changed-- if maybe any of my tests didn't read correctly the first time, blah blah... Then I'm going to take a sample of it to the LFS and get it tested and see how my tests match up. From there, I'll probably pick up a bag of Instant Ocean if the variables are still high. I may pick up a supplement for alkalinity, since it seems like that may be something good to have on hand incase anything goes out of whack (will be ordering 2 part dosing from BRS at a later time). Then I will probably do a 10 gallon bucket change this weekend, and wait the rest out as I'm not super worried since the corals seem to be doing well in the tank. After that, I plan on picking out a reactor in like a week or so... and then I feel the rest is just research, research, research until I understand things a little better.

    Things seem to be doing well in my tank regardless, so I'll just do the minimal amount of what needs to be done as to not stress out the animals since there's no need for being drastic (just a small water change, and let the rest ride itself out). And I am hoping I can rectify any water issues before Fall Fest as I'm excited about it. Hopefully I will get everything down better in the next two weeks and learn a lot more in the meantime.
     
  3. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

    West Des Moines, IA
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    Just a word of caution. If your salinity is off - getting it to 1.026 will have an impact on Calcium and alkalinity. I don't know the math there, but I would want to get to 1.026 before I determined how far off my calc and alk were really.

    Skimmer: Hmmmmm. I'd be interested in what opinions others had. I almost think that getting a better skimmer would do you better than a reactor - in reducing both your nitrates and phosphates.

    I doubt you will need the alk supplement for awhile. And when you do, you should be dosing calcium as well.
     
  4. xMermaidxx

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    @beckerj3@beckerj3 Thanks, that's some good solid advice. I will keep all of that in mind. I do plan on raising salinity but very slowly. I thought 1.024 was fine though, since LA states it. Do you feel that corals thrive better in higher salinity? I've been hearing different things (I have heard someone state that 1.024 was the salinity his corals thrived at that's why I haven't worried about my sg; right now mine is ALMOST 1.025 *did an official reading last night, I haven't bothered testing it until yesterday since I always top it off and add water at 1.024*). Like you've said everyone has their own opinions, but your tanks are so healthy and amazing I definitely trust what you have to say above most people's opinions.

    As for the skimmer, it's sized for a 100 gallon tank. I know that those ratings can be misleading though, and it is getting old. I almost wonder if some of my nitrates could be caused because I have crushed coral in the bottom of my tank. I try to keep it as clean as possible, but that could still be a possible source as well. I am thinking about switching it out to some black live sand in the future.
     
  5. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    1.025. I feel better about that. I would try to stay in the 1.025 - 1.026 range. I personally shoot for 1.026 - but not everyone would agree on that I think.

    Post your results after a visit to LFS. And definitely get a salinity reading from them.
     
  6. xMermaidxx

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    So, here's what I got. I took the water into Seascapes today and this is what they came up with (they also used an API test kit):

    Calcium- 380ppm (she said Reef Crystals usually doesn't test that low surprisingly)
    dKH- 7
    Salinity- 1.025 (tested with a refractometer)
    Mag- N/A (they didn't have a mag test)

    So then, I tested my own water later on in the day and this is what I came up with:

    Calcium-480ppm
    dKH-9
    Salinity- 1.024 (arm swinging halfway between 1.024 and 1.025 from my Hydrometer; my hydrometer seems to be fairly on par)
    Mag- I didn't bother testing it.

    So obviously, one of these test kits is off as they are both API. I believe I'm going to get a third opinion and then if I believe it to be my test kit, I'm going to contact amazon. I think the test kits may have been left on my front porch from Saturday to Sunday night without my knowledge... does anybody know if temperature can make these kits go bad?
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    Also, if my tank water was cold when they tested it will it affect the kit/test results?
     
  7. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    There usually is something on the label about storage. The number 55F comes to mind but that's totally random.

    IMO the API calcium and alk kits have a pretty wide range or error but neither of those readings is significantly out of whack.
     
  8. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

    West Des Moines, IA
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    Those numbers sound more reasonable. I'm interested in what you get for a 3rd set of numbers.
     

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