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High alkalinity looking for advice

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by AdamLawrence, Dec 26, 2014.

  1. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Looking for a little help with my alkalinity level it is very high and would like to get it back down. Is their a way too lower it?
     
  2. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    how did it get high?

    What is it?

    Did you verify with a separate test kit?
     
  3. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Not sure how it got so high I used a red sea test kit and maxed out the Hanna checker.
     
  4. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    only real way is through water changes,but you will need alot. It should come down naturally.

    how high is high?
     
  5. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I used 1.8 ml of solution with the red sea test kit and and the card says 0.01=0.05meq/L(0.146) if I did the math correctly is around 21 dkh or 9 meq also my calcium level is low is at 250 been dosing calcium trying to get it back up to par I have a geo 818 calcium reactor with a Milwaukie ph controller had it set at 6.5 and moved it down to 6.4 thinking that would help our should I shut it off and just dose calcium
     
  6. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    There is no way any corals could be alive with those numbers.

    I think you need to have someone retest all the water.
     
  7. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I will do that
     
  8. abower Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I did that one time with a water change. When I first started in the hobby I tried to raise my pH with that BS powder. Did nothing to pH, only shot my alk up, which in turn (after doing research) causes the calcium to precipitate out, made the water real cloudy. I didn't have corals at the time but I do believe it took a few weeks of water changes to settle it out.

    Check out this article, good info: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/11/chemistry
     
  9. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    The reactor won't bring your calcium up that much without sending alkalinity sky high, because it adds both at the same time. You'll need to raise the calcium with another product, but I don't know if you should do that until the alk comes down.

    I just jacked my alkalinity up to 14 Corals definetley were suffering, mushrooms were closed and some of my bigger sps colonies started turning white at the bases. It came down to about 10 after 5 days. The corals are recovering. But the damage that was done will take months to repair.

    My mistake was also the related to a poorly adjusted calcium reactor. I was running th ph too high, and alk dropped. When I raised it with baking soda I added way too much, way too fast.

    People have overdosed 2 part or kalkwasser and suffered the same results. Alkalinity both high and low can have catastrophic effects on a tank. I've thought of going with a different method to control the alk, but in fairness the problems I've had were not the equipments fault. Regardless of the method, testing alk a couple times a week will allow you to catch a swing before it goes too far.
     
  10. abower Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    How do your corals look?
     
  11. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Definitely get a retest and preferably with a different test kit. It would be even better if you could have a 3rd test done to see if the 3 test results are fairly close. If the alk is higher than 13-14, this is what I suggest. Although you may not like it, I would make new salt water, a lot. Put all your livestock in another tank/container with heat and flow, and if possible, a filter or skimmer. Use the current tank water for the container/tank and slowly begin lowering the alk by adding new SW. During the interim, begin replacing the tank water. I would use a low alk salt, such as Coralife. {As was previously stated, adding CA when the alk is extrememly high will just precipitate the CA out.} It will be expensive I'm sure but you should be ok by doing it that way as long as the corals/livestock haven't been subjected to the high alk for a long period. You must lower it slowly though! If you cannot do it as suggested, maybe you can rehome them while things are getting back to par. Of course, that process would be slow also :9( Good luck!
     
  12. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I did another test with my api test kit and it was also high did a 30 gallon water change and checked it and it dropped to 19 from 21dkh in the process of making 50 gallons of more salt and do another water change later tomorrow. Or should I do one at the end of the day again as I did one this morning at 530
     
  13. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    What size tank do you have or total water volume? What is your pH reading? You don't want to lower it too fast because of pH shock. Try to lower it by about 1.5 dKh in 24 hours...preferably by cutting the total SW you're changing into to 2 changes in the 24hrs. So 2 -15g WC about 12hrs apart for the 24 hours. Just as a side note, if you tell us what size of tank and what's in it (fish, clams. CUC, nems, etc) we can help you much better with the 'possibility' that you won't lose anything ;0)
     
  14. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I have a 220 gallon tank on the main floor and 150 gallon sump that is ruffly 35 feet away witch holds 100 gallons and a 30 gallon refugium. I have a digital aquatics reef keeper elite on it that runs it. the ph is around 8.2 I have double check it with the api ph test kit also and it's close to. I have my return line vented to the outside so it has fresh air all the time.
    Add far as the corals
    Sps and lps
    Mushrooms
    No clams
    I have a very large cuc snails and hermits
    Fish
    2 black clown's
    2 blue jaw triggers
    Royal grama
    Six line wrasse
    Viva goby
    Naso tang (Blondie)
    Yellow tang
    Hippo tang
    Sail fin tang
    Sweet lips grouper
    Pajama cardinal
    Here's a picture of my tangled sump lol
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    And display sorry about the blue lights just turned on [​IMG]
     
  15. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    what do the corals look like?

    If they aren't showing signs of stress or being unhappy I say you're problem isn't as bad as you are thinking. As mentioned an Alk level that's truly as high as you are reading would be destroying your livestock in a relatively short order.
    Slow down, take the time to figure out what is going on, and fix the problem slowly. Often times the extreme changes made when we're trying to fix a "problem" lead to even more problems than we started with.
     
  16. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Some look great and some look good. I have two acros that turned brown but have a little green back in them now. Had two sps bleach out that I got at fall fest.
    I shut off my calcium reactor and just adding calcium for now. The fish all look good and want feed every time I approach the tank.
     
  17. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    I wouldn't even worry about dosing anything right now. If you're doing frequent (daily) water changes your salt mix should be providing all the calcium and other elements your tank would require. Once you get the balance back in check and you cut back to normal frequency on water changes then you can look at dosing again.
    I would watch your tank inhabitants more than your test results right now. Just slowly get your numbers back to balanced proportions through water changes and make sure everything is staying happy.
     

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