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Advice? ich treatment

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jayt, Aug 23, 2015.

  1. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Should I treat with anything while they are under observation?
     
  2. Zach Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I am a fan of Crystallized Peroxide Salts. A brand name would be Medic by Polyp Lab. However unless you see active ich, hyposalinity along with higher end QT temps (80-84 or so) You shouldn't need to treat unless you actually see an active outbreak.
     
  3. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I was really hoping to stay away from anything copper related. Haven't done enough research yet to know if anything I have is copper sensitive.
     
  4. Zach Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Peroxide salts are copper free and reef safe when mixed correctly. Coper is a VERY effective killer of protozoans. It will also kill all shrimps, and a very VERY wide swath of snails, starfish, and crabs. Essentially all inverts that aren't coral. although some coral are susceptible. If you have the QT set up with just the fish, and the fish are healthy (not showing signs of distress) the copper dosing is of no danger. as always READ THE DIRECTIONS, FOLLOW THEM CLOSELY, and get a copper test as you will have to watch the levels to dose properly.
     
  5. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I read up on those salts and the reviews are hit and miss. So I've been leaning more towards copper. I have a hob style fuge on my qt, will the copper mess up anytime with the cheato. I would like to keep my qt going just incase I need to treat a fish in a hurry.
     
  6. abower Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    You can't copper all fish. Wrasse and puffers are just two of I think 5 groups of fish sensitive to copper. It's almost a futile effort to accomplish what your after.

    With that said, if you want your QT tank to have a bio filter, you need to have another hospital tank you can treat in. Copper will obsorbs into the rock, sand, and silicone in the tank and various plastic tubing. Most likely you want to QT anything in the QT tank and using copper in it is a poor choice.
     
  7. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I intended to do a complete water change after treating and refill with new water. It wouldn't both me to leave it dry for a period of time if need be. I was only intending to keep a fresh tank ready to go all the time and re add copper or whatever was needed at each individual circumstance. But If there is no way to fully remove the copper I will just use my 10s and treat them in there
     
  8. Zach Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Experimentation on your own and scientific reviews are your only ally in this game. A review by Johnny reefer on amazon needs to be taken with huge spoonfuls of salt. Look to opinion based on hobbies ts who have been around for more than 5 years, and any scientific papers you can get your salt fingers on. With that asside. Unless you are dealing with an active outbreak, relax. QT os preventative. And with the right temps within 8 weeks anything g your qt that is not breaking out is safe.

    If you treat a tank either copper. It's a copper tank. You need to then treat it with heavy metal detoxification treatments to then get around that. Regardless of a water change or not. Any substrate (which shouldn't exist in qt any way) is contaminated and troublesome to clean.

    Have you had an ich outbreak in the past? I feel like this is a little bit of superstition mixed with caution...
     
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  9. jayt Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    The reviews I read were on the product website itsself. But that's not much different. Being new to the hobby I try to do what reading I can. And people always stress the importance of the qt and treating, weather it was a forum or product websites. There is no substrate in my qt. Just a small fuge. And for the sake of some amazing creatures I'd prefer to not experiment with their lives. What the general concensus of the people here. Everything i read on the tank to tank method they always treat with some sort of product.should i simply get the fish and put him in a qt for 8 week just doing water changes? Hopefully thru this I can help some new reefer is the hobby. Maybe create a sticky post.
     
  10. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Here are my quick 2 cents

    The tank transfer method is pretty much 99% effective, low stress on your fish, and safe for everything else if you do it correctly. I will do this with every fish before it goes into my main system, whether it shows infection or not.

    Copper is lethal to ich. And many other things including dozens of angels, puffers, wrasses, etc. Not something to fool around with.

    Hypo works very well too, but takes a long long time and you have to be diligent about salinity level (must use refractometer).
     

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