issues i have seen on this site

If you could explain to us why you are so offended when someone tries to encourage you to join the club then maybe would start to see your point.

Please answer these simple questions.

1) Do you think that this club operates for free?

2) If people regularly use the club resources, do you think it's reasonable that they contribute a small amount to help keep those resources available?

3) Why are you surprised/shocked/offended when someone tries to encourage you to join?

 

4. Usually people are flattered when asked to join a group or club.

5. This site represents the club, doesnt it make sense to promote the club?

6. You can place ads to buy or sell for free on this site. Bandwith though is not free. Someone has to pay that bill every month. Why not do your part?

 

I have seen issues on the site but it was with the bickering of members with eachother. I have had many people here help me in the 3 months I have been on this site and not once has anyone mentioned you need to join. You seem way off base here. When you poke a bear expect to get your head knocked off. You have some axe to grind and it is clear you need to just move on. So what members are willing to help fellow members more, they have paid for that priviledge.

 

+1 on that .......

 

Well, for what it's worth, I've been on here a lot recently and so I decided to pony up. It's $20. Of course, now I won't be able to get my Maxi-Jet magnet mounting thingy. Darn club...;-)

 

I'm just going to help out a bit:
seyzar18 said: Ha ha! Look at you guys saying I shouldn't ***** when something is free. You obviously don't see the point to all this. If you guys didn't try to push non-members into becoming members, it would be a lot better for this page (reasoning unclear). Some people dont even think about joining and remain non-members because they feel pressured into joining. If you guys want to keep thinking it (unclear pronoun reference) doesn't happen, go for it. I'm a non-member for the reasons stated above and many of you think I'm saying this **** and complaining about it for no reason.

 

Anytime you have a couple hundred distinct personalities using a public forum, you're going to have some bickering.   I'm a firm believer that ours is actually pretty tame compared to others with similar traffic.
And I think you're right.   The issue about people somehow being "pressured" to join is just complete BS.     I think there's probably some other underlying agenda at play here.  I've asked a couple time now why it is so offensive to be encouraged to join/support the club and have yet to receive an answer..

 

I just got back into the hobby(still setting up my tank) and the first thing I did was become a member. All the information and help you can find on this site from locals is well worth the very small membership fee of $20. I'd like to become more involved eventually, but for now just the access to this site is well worth the dues. If it wasnt for the people I have met over the years and knowledge shared I probably would have lost a lot more than the $20 by doing things incorrectly.

 

Someone must not know club members get discounts like 10% off orders at AC&C and other vendors whom support the site. I might have made it a month as a non-member but with the ton of info on here the buy and sell forums and those generous people that helped me start my 55 deserved credit and commitment by showing support for the club. BTW where do we go to check when our membership expires?

back to the subject at hand, you need to get your head on straight. Nothing in life is free, but 90% of this site is! If you are happy with only getting 90% of the features then shut up about it. Now when you ask and question or need help dont expect us all to jump off our couches and reply to it. Yes and I totally agree that paying members get responses first well because they show there support for the club. and yes threads do go missing. We have anywhere from 6 to 9 posts per hour.

 

If you have an issue with your apex that you can't solve with the new users guide, then go to reef central Neptune Systems sponsor forum.

Honestly, you should have asked there first. It is the best place to go for that kind of info.

 

$20 is not a big deal for a year even if you are broke. Half of the people that complain about the price probably go drop $100 at Texas Road House once a week. I'm a new member to the site and enjoy reading the posts. We should be thankful to the people who started the site. This site should be a positive experience.

 

+ 2 on that. Well said.

 

No offense but do you even know what your talking about? This thread has gone from clue less to lost. What is it you'd like out of this? What's the point your trying to make? If there's no point to what your trying to get across im lost at what it is you want from all this.

My view on member/ non member issues. Will i help a member over a non member. No,but i will more than likely go out of my way to accommodate a member.

Do i think that this site gives to much? Oh you damn right i do, its the same people whining about what they aren't getting for free that are standing at the mailbox on the first and complaining there aren't jobs in America.....burger king is always hiring

 

Xroads ur professionalism on the 1st page of this topic makes me not want to be a customer at ur shop. I may not be a member however Im still a customer. Much like you said I guess seyzar18 can go to reef central, just as much as he can go somewhere else to buy fish and corals. Being a business owner you should know better. To stay positive about you though, You have helped me alot with questions I have had, and your employees are very helpful also. I just saying remember if a non member looks at this page and debates joining and sees how someone post it might make their decision. I recently seen some bad post about Hung, and i for one trust him. But yet other business owners bad mouth him.

 

Galspie said.  "My view on member/ non member issues. Will i help a
member over a non member. No,but i will more than likely go out of my
way to accommodate a member."
I agree I think he made a very valid point.

 

Where did he say that he wouldn't help out a non member out at all? Unless I've gone blind, he said he would be more likely to go out of his way to accommadate a member. And why the hell wouldn't he? If someone has paid their dues to be a member, and help keep the site running, so people to keep using it to help each other and be a part of the hobby, I'd be more inclined to help them as well. Will I still help a nonmember? Absolutely, If I have any sort of answer to help them with the topic at hand. I think you've done enough damage in these threads though, and you're better off just stopping now. I can tell you, and you can quote me, that I will never help you with anything after how you've acted towards the site, and its members. That's for damn sure.