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Kalk doser

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ThyRaven, Oct 14, 2011.

  1. ThyRaven

    ThyRaven Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I am getting ready to start dosing Kalkwasser into my tank.  I watched the Bulk Reef Supply YouTube videos and they use a 1 gallon plastic container with a lid.  Two holes in the lid with air line and a check valve to regulate how fast kalk is dosed into the water.
    My questions here is does the lid need to be a screw on or can I use say an old ice cream bucket or a cottage cheese container.  They are both plastic with a snap on lid. 
    If you have any references for sites where I can look at different DIY kalk dosers that would help as well.
    Thanks,
    Thy
     
  2. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    Kalk doser is only needed if you have a calcium demand. Kenya trees don't use calcium/alk. Don't bother until you start keeping LPS/SPS.

    --AJ
     
  3. ThyRaven

    ThyRaven Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I'm preping for some. Plus I was told by Nick at Pet's that the softies needed calcium/alk. so which is it?
     
  4. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    They need some, but if you're doing water changes on a regular basis, your salt mix is probably an adequate source of calcium.  If anything, I'd switch to Reef Crystals or another salt brand (if you don't already use) that is meant for coral that require a bit more calcium.  And unless you plan on starting off with a large sps colony, you won't need much calcium until your frags grow a bit /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif
    Aside from what I just wrote, your kalk container should be closed as much as possible.  Make sure your tubing is not sucking up the residue off the bottom, but the super saturated water that sits above that.  I add kalkwasser to my top-off water each week........I let it sit several hours before I turn the ato back on so that it has all settled.  There was/is a thread on this somewhere on Reef Central, but its been awhile since I set mine up.
     
  5. ThyRaven

    ThyRaven Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Havent made the Switch yet. I am using Kent Marine Salt right now. Not the stuff ment for reef though. Was looking at sticking with Kent just going to the Reef Salt instead of the Marine Salt. But depending on price I may switch over to Reef Crystals.
     
  6. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    your lfs is correct but like fawn said if you are doing regular water changes, you dont need to worry about calcium until you really start getting a collection and start using calcium. Have you tested too see where you are at a couple days after a water change?
     
  7. Bela

    Bela Inactive User

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    Do you run an ATO? I would hook it to that, personally.
     
  8. cowdust9

    cowdust9 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    yeah cant you put lime in with your top off water and it will work aswell?
     
  9. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    only problem I see with that is the kalk could eventually gum up your return pump
     
  10. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    Kalkwasser is German for "lime water" or "chalk water", so that's exactly what they are talking about.
    --AJ
     
  11. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    Also, don't use kalkwasser if your drip is controlled using a solenoid.  The kalk will gum it up and cause problems.  This applies to any ATO that uses an solenoid, not just the DIY ATOs.
    --AJ
     
  12. Big John

    Big John Inactive User

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    Stop using the Kent salt, may be OK for fish only, but worthless for reef systems.
     
  13. daalbers

    daalbers Well-Known ReefKeeper

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  14. Foo

    Foo Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    New Kent Marine Reef salt is great salt.
     
  15. ThyRaven

    ThyRaven Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    That's what I was going to switch too. Where do you order yours from Foo?
     
  16. mfisher

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    I'm w/ AJ. Don't even bother with Kalk yet. If you have any limestone (rock, sand, etc) you will have plenty for some softies, even stony coral. Heck I had lots of hard corals before I started dosing anything (not recommended, but it worked for a while) when I started out. Water changes will go a long way.

    When you do Kalk, use it with a good quality ATO. The container is really trivial-the dosing mechanism is the most important part!

    Matt

     
  17. mfisher

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    I'm w/ AJ. Don't even bother with Kalk yet. If you have any limestone (rock, sand, etc) you will have plenty for some softies, even stony coral. Heck I had lots of hard corals before I started dosing anything (not recommended, but it worked for a while) when I started out. Water changes will go a long way.

    When you do Kalk, use it with a good quality ATO. The container is really trivial-the dosing mechanism is the most important part!

    Matt

     
  18. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    Learned that the hard way! But I still do it...two solenoids!
     
  19. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    I might also have to add...Matt, sand and rock won't dissolve in an alkaline environment so for any practical intents and purposes it will not act as a calcium "buffer" in the marine tank. However I think you, like me, probably used sand and aragonite products in freshwater tanks where things like this and crushed coral substrate act as effective carbonate buffering systems to maintain pH. You have a good point about the mechanism though!. The "IV bag" system of dosing kalk really sucks because it discharges kalk that has settled out in the bottom of the container into the tank, and it gums up the bleed valve and you don't get very consistent dripping.
    Kalk has other benefits too don't forget! It precipitates phosphates. This is also an argument against large batch dosing kalk because it will create localized deposition of PO4 and is a great way to culture cyano and hair algae in your sand bed! I've seen people put 1/2-1 gallon of kalk in their display tanks at a time (usually only partially saturated solns) and then wonder why they have diatoms and cyano in their sand and rocks (the ones directly beneath where they just poured in the kalk).
    Edit* I see Fawn already pointed out the problems with the mechanism, I guess I don't know what dosing product you're using. But I think the thread/article from RC she's talking about is this: The Degradation of Limewater in Air by RHF, and I guess apparently air degradation of kalk is essentially inconsequential.
     

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