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LPS Problems

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Kylie, Oct 27, 2010.

  1. Kylie

    Kylie Inactive User

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    I don't understand what is happening in my tank. All of my LPS corals (hammers, frogspawn, trumpets, and acans) are always brightly colored, love to eat, and are swollen and happy. But all of them are pulling away from their skeletons slowly. Some are worse than others. I had thought there was an improvement for a while but now I guess not.
    What causes this? My parameters are 0 ammonia and nitrtie, 0-5 nitrate, 0-.5 phophate, 8.4pH, calcium is like 500... it goes way to high for me to calculate, kH is 6-7. I recently got my skimmer working and its been doing well, getting me a full cup every few days. There is a notable layer of proteins on the surface of my water though so it has a lot of work to do.
    Its a 40g breeder with 29g sump. 2 x 150w MH 20K bulbs with 2 x 36w T5 actinics. Enough flow to lightly make the hammer and frogspawn calmly swirl in the water. I feed my corals with a combination of rods original, rods eggs, chromomax, and green water if I can get it. What am I doing wrong? What should I do to try and save my lps????
     
  2. ninjazx777 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    0.5 is high for phosphates. I would run some gfo. I try to keep my phosphates at 0.1 or less
     
  3. Kylie

    Kylie Inactive User

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    Ok. Working on that. I have carbon running also in a dual BRS reactor. Any other suggestions?
     
  4. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    Kylie what stands out to me is yor po4 0.5 is actualy preaty high you need to get it down to 0.05 the level in natural sea water is 0.005 so your problem may be your po4.
    -Bill
     
  5. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Your phosphates are too high was my first impression. But you say it is 0-.5. That is a huge range. How can you have such a range?

    There is a reef calculator at BRS. For 80 gal (40 breeder + sump) you need 1.25 cups of regular strength GFO. That is 10 oz. I wonder if your GFO container is too full and your GFO is caking up? You need to have it about half full, and have the grains tumbling very very lightly. I know it is hard to detect this in a BRS duel reactor. If 1.25 cups of regular strength GFO (10oz) fills up your reactor, consider using the High Capacity GFO. It takes up half the space, and you need half as much. In your case around .63 cups or 5 oz.

    You also say your Ca is 500 but way too high to calculate. So how do you know it is 500? You need to get your Ca and Alk in balance. So work on getting your Ca down to about 420 and the Alk will follow hopefully.

    Finally, the skimmer. Not sure why there is a protein layer but that ain't good. Maybe throw a maxi jet near the top of the the tank to break up the surface tension. See if that helps at all.
     
  6. Kylie

    Kylie Inactive User

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    Ok will get the proper GFO. Ran out so was using something from work. The Ca is always really high. I have the API test kit and it uses a titration to measure Ca but whenever I do it, I am still adding titrate with little results past the given range. How do you lower Ca? I'll try adding a powerhead up on top to break up the layer. Will breaking it up help it get to my skimmer?
     
  7. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    Just take a cup and slowly press it into the surface of the water and skimm the build up off my hand. What is the calcium of your freshly mixed salt water? Are you adding anything for ca and alk?
     
  8. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    Also I have a hanna phos checker I'm going to sell at fall fest as my po4 is always rock bottum. So if you want it so you can accuratly check your phosphates let me know.
     
  9. fishyness

    fishyness Inactive User

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    Maybe spot feed them some PE mysis. Thats when mine really perked up, remember my blue trumpet wasn't looking too hot til then. Also, do you maybe a have a nipper in there? I caught my coral beauty the other day....... [​IMG]
     
  10. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    may i ask how you are feeding the green water?
     
  11. Kylie

    Kylie Inactive User

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    I'll try manually removing the build up. I am currently spot feeding rods food to each of them and they gobble it up. Like I said, they're sneaky. THey are all nice and puffy and colorful but still coming off their skeletons. As for the green water, I only had a little bit of it from fishyness. While I had it, I kept it in the fridge and when I would do my spot feeding, I used it to help thaw out my frozen foods. I only used a quarter of a cup a day for maybe a week til I ran out.
     
  12. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    my understanding about green water is your supposed to strain it through a coffee filter and not put it directly into your tank.  i dont know  if that would be a contributing factor or not.  with my lps. I never feed them, i feed the tank with rods food original once  or twice a day and thats it. after a yr  all of them are splitting and growing to the point i can almost start to  frag some.
     
  13. Foo

    Foo Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    If your calcium is 500+ then there's the problem. Try to get your alk up to 8-9 and your calcium should come down. Slowly. Shoot for 400-450ppm calcium. That's plenty. If it gets to high (500) your always going to have alk problems (drifting low)
     
  14. IowaDiver Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    While you're trying to get your phosphate under control I wouldn't feed your coral, and feed your fish sparingly.
     
  15. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I ^ agree, plus the phosphates aren't helping, but I would say this is what's bothering them the most (from personal experience). How often do you change the water? A few water changes of correctly mixed new SW should bring things (calcium and alk) into better ranges. What's your salinity at? What are you using for top-off water? Things to check as well. Sometimes when you assume those basic things are fine, they are actually off........
     
  16. Kylie

    Kylie Inactive User

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    Lets see.. I try to do about 15g water changes once a week. It usually ends up being about every week and a half because I get caught up with homework. I use RO water in my ATO which is one of those sensors that hangs in my sump and triggers a pump from the bucket to fill the tank a lil bit when needed. My salinity is at 1.025. Not sure what else you'd like to know.

    I will try to cut back on feeding a little bit but I have the new cardinal pair who don't eat much and my midas blenny who went on a diet for a week (possibly had been hiding from my coral beauty but they seem to be fine now) and is extra skinny. He's doing much better but he still needs some work.

    Two things. Is it normal for bangai cardinals to consistently act super excited to eat, take a chunk of food and always spit it out? They do this with all of the food, even the PE mysis. Its so fast I can't imagine they are taking of a chomp while its in their mouth but I guess I don't know for sure.

    Second thing, dang BRS is fast!! I ordered the GFO over my Iphone at 2:30 today and already got a shipment notification email. Wewt. The sooner I get this going the better.

    Thanks for all the help everyone!
     
  17. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Well, the super high calcium is coming from somewhere.......maybe borrow a different brand kit to test with. It sounds like your calcium levels should be ok, unless you're adding something like Purple Up or something like Kallwasser to your top-off water. The only time I had calcium off the charts was when I used Purple Up. I'm assuming you're using Reef Crystals or some other common brand of salt? I think someone else suggested this too, but what is the SW you make testing at for calcium?
     
  18. Kylie

    Kylie Inactive User

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    I'll have to test it as I haven't ever looked at that before. I've only ever tested the tank water. I use Coralife salt but was considering switching to reef crystals seeing as so many people like it so much.
     
  19. Kylie

    Kylie Inactive User

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    Ok, well got home and found that one of the two heads of one of my hammer corals had abandoned ship. Surprisingly though, it is still very puffy, colorful and otherwise looks happy. It managed to drift into a very secure little nook in one of my rocks where, even with the powerheads on, it gets enough flow but isn't blown away. Is there any chance that it will attach and somehow stay alive? I guess I'm planning on keeping it in there so long as it looks happy and isn't causing troubles. Any thoughts?

    Thanks
     
  20. Foo

    Foo Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Coralife has a calcium reading of 560ppm according to this salt thread.
    http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1714505
     

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