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Magnesium Level/Salifert Test Kit

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by sblomgren, Jun 29, 2011.

  1. sblomgren

    sblomgren Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Could my magnesium level be so high (over 1500) that the test kit didn't read it?  I used a salifert test and I followed the instructions.  It was purple as I started adding drops of the ml3 and swirling between each drop.  I ran the entire 1ml syringe into the beaker with no color change.  Am I doing something wrong or is my mag really this high?
     
  2. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Unless you are adding MG I doubt it got that high....look at your testing procedure. Here is a guide.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjDCU4xhioQ
     
  3. sblomgren

    sblomgren Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    UPDATE> I retested twice and must have done something different. OR something. Both times the reading came out to right around 1500. I am not sure how to actually read the test because of the air bubble that is between the piston and the chemical but I used the entire syringe of ML3 or whatever so I am assuming that means I am right at the 1500 level. Am I getting this correct? Thanks
     
  4. sblomgren

    sblomgren Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    so based on the video I was doing it correctly. I have a mag level of right at 1500. Is that too high? Should I do something to change that number? I know that 1300 is considered optimal...
     
  5. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I am not really sure what high mg will do to you.

    If it turns out high MG is not a huge problem, I would wait it out and it will come down with time.

    If you do a water change with Reef Crystals, the salt has a mg supplement in it, so you won't be doing much to bring it down.
     
  6. sblomgren

    sblomgren Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    thats what I use is reef crystals.
     
  7. adampottebaum

    adampottebaum Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I know lots of people raise magnesium levels to 1500 slowly and maintain them there for a period of time to kill off hair algae or cyano, so I couldn't imagine it would be a problem. I'll quick do some searching and see what I come up with.
     
  8. adampottebaum

    adampottebaum Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Here's two articles you can read if you want to know more, I don't have time to look through them right now to give you an definite answer:
    http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-06/rhf/index.php
    http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2003/10/chemistry
     
  9. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    you're OK on the salifert kit, I try to keep my Mg at 1350 but one time I raised it with BRS then had to fill up the tank with fresh RC which boosted Mg up to about 1575. I had to go thru the entire syringe, then fill it again and figure out where the level was based on how much I added.

    As for the reading and bubble in the syringe, you go by the tick marks on the syringe. The air sucked in is equivalent to the air inside the tip before to draw in the solution, so you draw in 1 mL and with the rubber stopper at the 1 mL mark you have 1mL of reagent.

    I've read that Mg > 1500 is good for killing off Bryopsis also. Mg will come down on it's own, I wouldn't worry about it, but I don't know if there's a maximum level or any kind of precipitate issue with relation to high Mg levels and Alk/Cal dosing.
     
  10. sblomgren

    sblomgren Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Floyd, thanks for the advice. My DKH is low, which I am working on slowly bringing up. My reading into all this (i'm just learning) makes me think there will be some leveling out of everything since they are all somewhat related.
     
  11. Dave Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I have trouble with the salifert MG test too - the color change is so subtle for me that I have a hard time distinguishing it.
     
  12. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    No problem with the Mag that high. RH-Farley states not a problem however he advises not to also run high on either CA or ALK. Mag doesn't diminish as quickly as CA or Alk so a high Mag is not uncommon. It will come down but if you are using RC or another salt higher in Mag (as compared to IO as an example) then it could take a long time unless the tank is having a high demand for it. I use Salifert test kit for Mag and they are quite reliable. Another consideration, if you are dosing a supplement(s), it/they could contain Mag.
     
  13. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Yeah I'm with you on the color change over for the Salifert Mg kit. It is not as clear cut as Alk or Cal. What i find helpful is that after adding the 4 drops of reagent #1, mix it for about 2x as long. Same goes for after adding #2. then if yo uknow from a prior test what it was at, add about 80% of #3 to that prior level rather quickly, then do one drop at a time and watch for the change over from purple/magenta to the grey/blue or rather not as purple, then make sure you swirl this for about 10 seconds, stopping a couple times to look at it (and set it on a piece of paper of something white in good light). Note the level on the syringe and check the chart for the Mg level that corresponds. Then go one drop at a time and try to look for the definitive grey or blue change over, stirring thoroughly and noting the level after each drop. It's one of those test that you have to run about 4 or 5 times until you get used to it. I have noticed that if you get dark purple after adding #2 it's harder to see the changeover. I'm not sure what causes that, but if it's a lighter purple, it's a lot easier to see the difference.
     
  14. iaJim

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    Try all of that while being color blind.
     

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