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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mthomp, Mar 9, 2010.

  1. Foo

    Foo Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Whats your temp? Did they die quickly in a few hours or a couple of days?
     
  2. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    so i took a sample of water to my LFS just to confirm my own results and everything came out fine. after speaking with a couple guys about my trouble keeping fish alive i got the following possible answers to my trouble.

    check ph levels after lights go out, could be a large PH swing thats stressing my fish. did this and found my ph to be around 7.8 after lights go out.
    lower the amount of time my lights are, i have MH lights with no acentics and possibly running them to long. dropped the time they are on by 2 hrs so they are only on 8 hrs a day.
    After lights go out use a flashlight to search for a killer. I did this and did come across a long worm type thing with legs, but i think it is just a bristtle worm. will continue the search for about a week to see if anything does come up.
     
  3. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    Is this the worm you found?
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    I don't remember what these are called but they do cause problems when they get big. I caught this one a few months ago in my tank. I was up at 3:00am feeding my baby and took a look at the tank and saw this monster swimming around. I thought I was seeing things at first.
    -Bill
     
  4. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    thats it, havent so much seen it swimming around to where i can catch it, it tends to keep inside of a cave in my rocks where i cant get to it.

    any thoughts on how i can go about nabbing this guy?
     
  5. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    If they're the greyish silver type of bristle worm, I don't think they're a problem. I have some large ones in my tank and they're just detritus feeders, sort of like large earthworms. If you handle them, you will get their bristles stuck in your skin and its irritating, but you'll survive /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif They are in most tanks and I see them as beneficial. That thing Bill had in his tank looks like a fireworm and I've heard they can be an issue. They're a type of bristleworm too, but are red.....
     
  6. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    def not red, more of a tan fleshy color, either way im going to try and nab it. Just saw it out in the open and my turkey baster wasnt readily available to suck it up.
     
  7. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    Posted By mthomp on 03/13/2010 12:59 PM
    thats it, havent so much seen it swimming around to where i can catch it, it tends to keep inside of a cave in my rocks where i cant get to it.
    any thoughts on how i can go about nabbing this guy?
    I got lucky with mine it was free swimming when I first saw it and It was like 6 to 8in long I freeked and grabed some scissors and choped it in half then while it was squrming around in pain I neted the two halfs. If you know where it lives you could take that rock out and put it in a bucket with an inch or two of water in the bottum. Then maybe it will come out of the rock into the waterin the bottum. Don't know if this will work or not but might be worth a try.
    -Bill
     
  8. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Unless its really big, I don't think they're a problem, in general.  HERE'S a good article about worms in your tank, if you have the time.....
     
  9. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    She's right unless it is a big one it's most likely not what's killing your fish.
     
  10. Eric Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Ever check for stray electricity in the water?
    Just a thought.
    -Eric
     
  11. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    my other thought was maybe im not supplying enough flow for oxygen, 2 korella 2 series along with my HOB skimmer and filter
     
  12. Eric Experienced Reefkeeper

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    As Fawn asked:
    How do they act after you've released them into the tank?

    Do they hide?

    Swim near the surface?
    Respirate quickly etc?

    You mentioned:
    "best example is i recently brought home a sixline and a firefin. i had a clown well established in the tank, come home from coffee today and the sixline and clown are dead but the firefin is doing wonderfully."
    How long were the new specimens in the tank?
    Were they fine when you left and dead when you returned?
    Any signs of physical trauma/damage?
    Is the firefin still alive?
    Appears to me that something is being overlooked.  A 55 gallon is enough to support the number of fish you're introducing. 
    Filter discussion being what it may, if you don't have ammonia/nitrites/nitrates/ph or alk issues significant to be toxic then it doesn't matter at this point.
    There's either something in the tank/water that you aren't aware (chemicals/voltage/etc.) of or you have a predator that you haven't seen which it why I'm curious as to how the fish look after they've perished.
    -Eric
     
  13. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    I noticed some heavy breathing from my clown before i left for coffee and staying close to the bottom of the tank. the sixline was hiding. have not seen any signs of damage to the fish. the firefin is still alive and doing wonderfully..

    the fish i introduced which was the sixline and firefin were in my tank about 4 days and no signs of trouble up until the deaths. all fish were eating fine. As far as a predetor goes Im still not finding anything unless it is that small worm thing, about an inch long, stinging them.
    only problem i have with that thought is it seems to hang out in the same place my firefin does at night and it is showing no signs of trauma or illness.
     
  14. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Brooknella (totally misspelled) can kill quickly, but there would be signs (Google images). The things I noticed that may have had something to do with your fish dying were the long time you floated them in the bags (poor oxygen) and not drip acclimating them (especially the wrasse, they should be drip acc. for sure), although I would think they would have showed signs of distress right away if that was the case, but maybe I'm wrong. Your pH seems low at 8; is that WITH the lights on? If it's only at 8, I can imagine it drops down quite a bit lower with the lights off....maybe too much of a change from what the pH was at the pet store (or wherever you got them) for your fish. Ideally, I like my pH to be at 8.4-8.6 with the lights on. pH is an important parameter to keep steady, crazy fluctuations can be bad......something to consider, might want to see how much it changes in a days time.
     
  15. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    yeah im going to look at getting a drip acclimator today. and i do thinki should raise my ph more, as it does drop below 8 when lights are off.
     

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