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need help with basement sump

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by fishyness, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. fishyness

    fishyness Inactive User

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    OK took today off to combine the 75 & 54 into the 120. All ready to go. mixed salt overnight, problem is the DT is so full of bubbles you cant see thru it. I dialed down the plumbing some but the water still crashes down into the sump in the basement. Is that the problem? too much turnover?. I need help, the water looks like milk bcause of bubbles.[​IMG]
     
  2. j.stacey

    j.stacey Inactive User

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    we just switched over from a 55g to a 130g the other day and had the exact same problem. our sump is set up in 3 sections the main being where the water from the main display comes in and the protein skimmer is also there, the 2nd section is an overflow for the first we packed a ton of filters to force the bubbles not to flow over into the 3rd section where our return pump is. it seems to have helped alot with the bubbles in the main display though we are still getting a ton of bubbles in the sump.
     
  3. fishyness

    fishyness Inactive User

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    Is it because it's all new? Should I proceed and add rock & fish? I can keep the corals in another tank. The sump is pretty clear. We're using a Reeflo Tarpon for the return pump. Should I dial it down more? Water crashes into the sump pretty good.
     
  4. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    So you're saying the sump is clear (no bubbles)? Where are the bubbles coming from then? How big is your sump and do you have up/down baffles?
     
  5. fishyness

    fishyness Inactive User

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    Yep sump is pretty clear. No baffles in the sump its a 55g.
     
  6. j.stacey

    j.stacey Inactive User

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    our sump is a 30 gallon and we had to put our rock and fish and corals into the 130g before we set up the plumbing since we had to be able to move the 55gallon tank the stand and the sump to another room to run the plumbing to the sump from the 130g and we dont have baffles either and our sump doesnt have a ton of bubbles its mostly creating a foam on the top of the sump like the protein skimmer. but when that foam makes it to the return pump it comes out in the main display like micro bubbles making the water look cloudy. since we put the filters between the foam and the return pump we havent had anymore bubbles in the main display.
     
  7. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    my guess is if the bubbles aren't originating from the sump via the pump then it will go away eventually. so it's not dust from substrate? Have you tried a sponge on the pump intake to try and remove any microbubbles?
     
  8. fishyness

    fishyness Inactive User

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    From what Im reading its alot because its all new. Im going to go ahead with my plan minus the corals. Ill keep them in the 54 til the bubbles go away. Will the bubbles bother the nems?
     
  9. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    What kind & size pump are you using?
     
  10. j.stacey

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    nems are really easily bothered by just about everything i would leave them in the other tank if nothing else just to prevent them from moving around the new tank just trying to get away from the bubbles, less chance of them ending up in your powerheads
     
  11. fishyness

    fishyness Inactive User

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    thanks for the replies. The return pump is a Reeflo Tarpon.
     
  12. jsprague

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    Are you using a gate valve on the main drain line?  You can dial it in with this as long as you have another drainline as a backup incase of a snail or something.  My basement sump ran really well without bubbles when I drew a siphon with the gate valve and had just a trickle coming down the second drain.
     
  13. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Herbie
     
  14. fishyness

    fishyness Inactive User

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    I dialed down both lines a little and it seems better. Not great, just better.
     
  15. AJ

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    I switched sumps and pumps recently and I had problems with bubbles for a day...but they cleared up. I would check your plumbing fittings and make sure that everything is tight and not leaking. It could be drawing air from a leaky fitting. The baffles should be killing your bubbles. How many sets of baffles do you have in your sump? And you say the sump water does not have bubbles and the display does? Is your pump periodically siphoning bubbles from the surface of the pump section of your sump? Can you take a pic of your sump and post it and another pic showing the bubbles in the display? You shouldn't have to dial that down to not have bubbles.

    --AJ
     
  16. fishyness

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    I'll see if I can post pics. So AJ, when you used that pump you didn't dial down the return to tank side? Wide open is way too much flow, the drains were crashing into the sump. We glued all the fittings, cant imagine it leaking, but yeah, no bubbles in sump but pouring to tank like crazy. No baffles in the sump, just an open 55g.
     
  17. AJ

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    I ran some reactors off of it in the basement, but aside from that, I had it wide open...and at the end when I ran a frag tank off of it, even wide open wasn't enough flow...that's why I upgraded. Look for salt creep at your fittings and that will show you any leaking points. I've heard of this issue occurring in some tanks and lasting a few weeks until the inside of the plumbing gets slimed up which helps to prevent the cavitation that was making the bubbles. I'll take a pic of mine right now...there's a ton of bubbles coming from upstairs, but none in the return area because of the baffles.

    --AJ
     
  18. AJ

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    Lots of bubbles on the right, some of which flow over into the macro-algae section (which is filled with live rock at the moment), then the skimmer section has a few bubbles from water out of the skimmer, but the return section is bubble free.
    And to get an idea for size, that's a 75 g tank.  The same pump also services a couple of reactors and a 40 gallon frag tank.  I'm running between 600 and 800 GPH to my display.
    --AJ
     
  19. fishyness

    fishyness Inactive User

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    Much improved today but still some bubbles. I know pics would help, but Im not very good at that. Should we look at drilling the sump so the pump is purely gravity fed? Right now the pump sits almost on the floor but is piped up and over the side of the tank. Im thinking maybe that is where air is coming from.
     
  20. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    If your pipe fittings are not 100% sealed then they could allow air to suck in and yes this could be the problem. But if it's hard piped with solvent welded joints I don't see how.
     

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