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Help!! Need some advice from coral keepers!!!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ALaake, Jun 21, 2015.

  1. ALaake

    ALaake

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    I've had an established 300 gallon salt system going for years. HAD 5 eels. Now I have 3. I've lost 2 in the last week. A month or so ago I added A lion fish (to the eel tank)some corals, a yellow tang, and a 10 gallon tank to this system (fed by a separate pump in sump).

    Are the dying corals poisonous to my eels? IF so I'll pitch the stupid stuff asap since I'm already out $400 in eels. I have no clue as to why perfectly healthy stuff I've had for years is just going belly up, seems to me like more then just a coincidence.....

    Both fish seem to be acting fine, my other 3 eels don't have near the appetite they usually do.

    Can anyone shed some light on this for me? I know ZERO about corals.
     
  2. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Corals have nothing to do with it. I would bet eels are getting stung by lion during feeding time.
     
  3. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    First and foremost, I know as much about eels as you do about corals.

    I have kept dozens of coral species over the years and can trace 0 fish losses back to corals. They do secrete mucus from time to time, and I've heard of chemical warfare between different Corals but have not heard of that effecting fish.
    I've had coral die offs before with no effect on fish. That does not mean it can not happen however.
    Honestly, I would look to something else being the cause.
    What was in the 10 gallon tank you added to the system? Could the lion fish be responsible?
     
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  4. ALaake

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    The Lion could be responsible, but I'm under the impression that eels aren't bothered by a Lion's sting, that they're immune to the venom? I could very well be wrong here, but I do know that Barney (a 3' Gymnothorax Prionodon) ate my last Lion. He's one of the 3 eels left. I've kept lions and eels in the past and never had any issues aside from Barney.

    The 10 gallon had some live rock, the tang, some sand and some coral stuff? Xenias of some sort? Contents new to my system.
     
  5. Drewster

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    I'm not sure on the truth to eels being immune to a lionfishes venom but a friend of mine kept his eels with a large lionfish for years with no problems at all. The eels that died, were there any markings or anything on them that would indicate something? Also, whats the approximate age of the ones that died? I know they are a fairly long lived animal. What are you nitrates at? Have you been checking to see if there's been any kind of major spike?
     
  6. ALaake

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    I haven't checked nitrates. Did a 50% change after the first (Whitemouth) passed. Was a younger eel, only about 20" with no odd marks. The African Horned died Saturday, lil older, but still nowhere near as old as the Dragon. Maybe 3-4 years.

    Aren't Tangs much more sensitive to water chemistry being off then any eel is going to be? Stupid lil Tang seems fine.

    Maybe the tanks getting too warm? Although I'm not doing anything different then I have for years, temps never been an issue in the past. How warm would it need to be to start causing problems? Wouldn't they be gasping/breathing hard if temp/o2 content was an issue?
     
  7. Drewster

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    Youre right about the tang showing signs of "stress" or illness before the eels. Gradual changes or increases in parameters like your temp shouldn't be an issue, they should adapt fine to that. However if your heater stuck on and caused a rapid spike in temp I could see that being hard on them. Wish I could be of more help, I'm a fan of eels too. This is certainly an odd scenario going on
     
  8. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Do you run carbon on your tank?
     
  9. ALaake

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    No, I don't use carbon on any tanks, fresh or salt.

    This is beyond weird. I've been keeping eels well over 10 years and very rarely have I ever had issues aside from Barney attacking/eating smaller eels. Have kept about every species you don't need to hire a diver to go catch.

    No heaters are plugged in, however I don't run a chiller - no crazy lighting so didn't think I really needed to. Like I said, never been an issue in the past.

    There's also a big ol starfish in there too that seems unaffected - the red version of chocolate chip stars.
     
  10. I have no clue about eels but am going to throw this out there. Since you added some things from the 10 gallon tank such as live rock. Is there something that could possibly be leeching out of the new live rock/corals that doesn't affect fish or corals but has an adverse effect on eels? Have you changed food sources, or added something new. A friend of mine lost his entire show tank when a customer threw some type of metal into the sump. My thought is to think about anything that you may have changed in the last 30 days.
     
  11. Drewster

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    I would agree, the issue seems like it should track back to one of the items that has been added in the last month.

    Another thought is what food are you feeding them? Anything change with that in the last month? You did say all the eels appetites have changed, is it bad food that took out the two and the others just haven't had as strong of an affect from it?
     
  12. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    I would put money on the lionfish being the culprit.
     
  13. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Well if you've gone this long without ever running carbon I wouldn't want to have that create any new catastrophe. I am a big believer in it though. If there is some contaminant in the water that the eels cant handle chances are carbon will pull it out. Not something you have to run full time but if you have a reactor you could pop onto the tank with carbon and run it for a day maybe it will catch whatever it is.
     

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