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Need some filtration advice...upgrading soon and could use some feedback

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Tony L., Jun 4, 2010.

  1. Tony L.

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    I'm going to be upgrading my system within the next couple months and I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to have to stick with a canister filter instead of a sump setup.  I'm more than likely going to stick with a 55g (but might break down and get a 65g at the last minute) and after I upgrade the lighting it's eventually going to be a mixed reef - so the goal is a filtration setup that is capable of keeping the nitrate level less then 10ppm in a 65g system.
     
    I'm currently using, and will continue to use, a CPR AeroForce skimmer (http://www.marinedepot.com/CPR_AeroForce_Recirculating_Protein_Skimmer_Hang_On_Venturi_Needle_Wheel_Protein_Skimmers-CPR-CR1191-FIPSHONW-vi.html) - does a good job on my tank now so unless I really need to I don't plan on upgrading.  I'll be getting an RO/DI unit in the near future to take care of the tap water, so in theroy I'll only need to wory about the natural waste produced in the tank.  I'm planning on keeping a 4-6" deep sand bed along with aprox. 80lbs of live rock.  My belief is that the skimmer, RO/DI, rock and sand will keep the waste levels within parameters.
    The question I'm having a hard time answering is what canister filter (and for that matter what media) is going to be the best addition and give the system the "boost"  to maintain a high-quality mixed reef environment.
    I'm debating between these two:
    Eheim Pro Wet/Dry Canister
    http://www.marinedepot.com/filters_eheim_professional_professionel_wet_dry_external-ap.html
    JBJ Reaction 4-Stage w/UV
    http://www.marinedepot.com/JBJ_Reaction_4_Stage_Canister_Filter_%2b_UV_Canister_Filters_for_Tanks_Over_100_Gallons-JBJ_Lighting-JB4315-FIFRCFOH-vi.html
    My gut says the Eheim is going to be the better choice but if I can spend a significant amount less and acheive the desired results with the JBJ my wallet would appreciate it!
    If I went with the JBJ I would fill the first stage with ChemiPure and the subsequent 3 stages with bio-media (maybe some floss).  If I went with the Eheim I'm not sure if I would need to add some form of carbon or not - I wouldn't think so but I'm not sure.
    Any feedback or suggestions would be much appreciated - I'm just doing everything I can to get it right and this club truly is an impressive collection of knowledge.
     
  2. psulion

    psulion

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    I really don't think you need a cannister filter. With a good skimmer ,RO/DI water,good live rock , good circulation and frequent water changes, a cannister filter doesn't add anything. As a matter of fact, it can become a nitrate fcatory for you as it captures waste. I'd save the money and skip the cannister filter.
     
  3. xmasia

    xmasia Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    for the money your spending on either canister you could build a nice sump setup and add a media reactor, while still being able to use your skimmer.
     
  4. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    even if you just can not do a sump system, you dont need a canister! A protein skimmer that is rated for 90gal plus. {given you are going for a 55gal.} and 60+lbs of live rock is all you truely are going to need. Do not skimp on the skimmer though.

    Mike
    55gal sumpless
     
  5. Reefdumb

    Reefdumb Inactive User

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    For all that i would go filterless aswell. Get a cheap canister and use carbon 1 or 2 time a month for 3 days or so, if the color of your water turns yellow.
     
  6. Foo

    Foo Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem.aspx?idproduct=NX1113&idCartRow=20175710&isKit=0&tab=4

    Spend your money on one of these and run carbon/gfo in it.
     
  7. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    yeah  or you can get a biowheel, ditch the wheels and use the grey containers to run carbon and or gfo. plus you get nice surface movement from it.
     
  8. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    I used that exact Eheim wet/dry in combination with a Eheim Pro II 2026 on my 55 gallon cichlid tank (freshwater) and it worked fantastic. I never had issues with nitrates and my tank was very overstocked (which is a known strategy to keeping aggression down in cichlids). I'm not sure how well it would work on the saltwater stuff, but I really enjoyed it on my freshwater setup. When I switched to saltwater, I sold it on eBay, so I no longer have it.

    --AJ
     
  9. Tony L.

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    Thanks for all the great advice! No canister filter for me, I'll go with a media reactor instead.
     
  10. Eric Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Reactor's a great idea!
    I use a H.O.T. 250 (HOT=Hang on tank) from Marineland.
    Fosters & Smith is currently @ $51.99
    It's a hang on canister filter rated @ 250 gph (has it's own internal pump) which adds flow to the tank, isn't too large, and is versatile.  There's an internal basket than can be filled with media and run with a foam filter or you can run the polishing filter (re-usable).
    I run carbon in the media basket and rinse the foam filter weekly to prevent issues as it makes a great mechanical filter.
    I've had it running since 2003 with no issues when Hung suggested it to me.  He uses them as part of his maintenance business.
    Just a thought!
    -Eric
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  11. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    eric, does that filter work any differantly then my biowheel?
     
  12. Eric Experienced Reefkeeper

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    No as Marineland does make a Bio-Wheel version - just cheaper to buy without the extra parts!
    -Eric
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