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Advice? New build preliminary ideas

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by GoodGreef, Jan 6, 2017.

  1. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    So I am at the point that I can start some plans towards a new tank build. It is going to be an in wall tank on the main floor. The sump etc will all be in the basement almost directly underneath it. I am thinking it will need to be a standard dimension 125 gallon glass tank. I'd like a 180 but I think the extra depth will interfere with space in the pantry behind it, which is the original intent of the project and would be vetoed by my better half. Anyway, I won't drone on about the pantry details just that plumbing must be self contained within the tank dimensions or on the single end closest to the outside wall as a Herbie overflow weir. Personally I think I'm going to just go the standard corner overflows as I'd prefer that to only using a narrow weir on one end of the tank. I'll have doors above of some type on the front side so I can access the tank both front and back. Anyone that has done an in wall build before have any thoughts. I have a great carpenter helping me with this but he hasn't done any in wall tanks before so is basically relying on me for how I want it done. For your entertainment I have included my sophisticated 2 minute CAD model of what this will look like.

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  2. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    If you can come up with a solution to get the extra 6" depth and jump to the 180 gallon size you need to do it. It doesn't seem like much but it makes a huge difference visually and a lot better aquascaping room. Bump it out into the other room instead of cutting pantry space if you can. Properly boxed and trimmed it actually ends up a pretty unique look when people bump out tanks slight from the wall.
    Personally I will never buy another tank with the standard in take overflow boxes again. The ones in the corners aren't terrible, but still an eyesore. On a tank as narrow as you are looking they do take up some valuable real estate, plus the standard durso drains they are made for are really a thing of the past these days. I'd get one of the low profile overflows with the internal weir and then the larger box on the outside and plumb it with a bean animal style overflow. Capable of moving tons of water, dead silent, and i'd say the safest design to prevent any flooding potential from clogged drains.
     
  3. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Ill have to see about ideas on making the tank hang out the front about 6 inches or so. I dont have a lot of room to work with either side but maybe theres a way. Id like a low profile overflow but I think only having the weir on that one narrow end wouldnt be great for filtration. Maybe Im too concerned about that.
     
  4. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    If you plan the in tank flow correctly having the overflow on one end shouldn't be an issue. Typically the designs of the slim overflows are actually capable of process more water than a standard manufacturers overflow designs. The teeth and weir system allow better flow, and the drains themselves are plumbed to move more water.
    I can't move crap for water volume through my 250 marineland tank because of the tiny openings in the overflow. @Bud@Bud made me a slim overflow for a 46 bowfront I was working on. I think that was a 12" long box or so. I could move more water through the teeth of that thing than on my big tank.

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  5. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    So I think the bump out idea will work. Now, I am thinking I want to do an acrylic tank. I've never had one before other than as a sump. If I can find a good priced glass 180 drilled for a bean animal or undrilled that I can get drilled I might consider that. I dont have a strong preference one way or the other but given I'm doing this job mostly alone I think the lighter weight tank is going to make adjustments easier and reduce how much floor reinforcement I do.
     
  6. Actuary Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    It definitely won't change the need for floor reinforcement. An acrylic 180g weighs roughly 125 lbs empty vs glass at around 250 lbs. However, when these are full of saltwater, sand, and rock you're looking at a total weight in the neighborhood of 1800 lbs (so the 125 lb difference becomes less significant).

    All three of my larger aquariums have been acrylic (125g, 180g, and 400g). There would have been no way I could have maneuvered a 400g glass tank into my house even with a lot of help.. so that was a deciding factor for me. Acrylic is a better insulator and is also clearer (but starfire is an alternative if you want glass). However, the huge downside with acrylic is how easily it scratches... which then makes coraline algae removal a pain (which is already not fun with an in-wall since you can't see what you're doing).

    I have a 36" tall in wall acrylic and by far the biggest savior I have found is a Mighty Magnets scraper with the algae dozer pad... it cuts right through calcified algae. It's expensive but when I think back to how I used to try to remove coraline with a plastic scraper and elbow grease it makes me want to cry... I had wasted so much time and put off cleaning because it was so much work!
     
  7. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Oh I thought a glass 180 weighed a lot more than that. Yeah I was planning on reinforcing but that was with me guesstimating a glass tank was closer to 400 lbs. I've got support now for a load of around 1800 lbs but want to be extra sure. Do tuxedo urchins damage acrylic? Because they have eaten all my coraline in my 75 gallon. I suppose the real decider is going to be who can get me a 72x24x24 tank bean animal drilled on one end or undrilled first for the right price.
     
  8. Actuary Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Oh wow you're cutting it close! I believe if you got a 180g glass from GlassCages.com it would end up weighing quite a bit more... if I remember correctly they are surprisingly heavy. Something to keep in mind since you're bumping up against your weight threshold.

    I've heard that urchins will scratch acrylic... although I had one in my 125g acrylic several years back which hitchhiked on my LR and never saw it do any damage.
     
  9. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    And to be clear I planned on reinforcing the floor, just that since I am close I don't think I need to go nuts with it like I would if it was several hundred pounds heavier than that.
     

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