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Advice? Tank Build! New member, new to saltwater

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by StormyMoe, Jun 2, 2016.

  1. StormyMoe

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    Hello all, I'm looking to setup a new saltwater tank and would appreciate any advice or things that I should look at. I've had successful 30gal freshwater tanks (been a couple of years since), but everything has worked out for now to be a good time to try my hand at saltwater. I'm envisioning something similar to this tank in the POTM for April.

    Equipment
    I picked up an Aqueon 65gal tank (18.4"L x 36.4"W x 25"H) and stand that was on sale from the local Pet Smart but that is as far as I've gotten equipment wise. Here is the list of my planned equipment so far:

    • Marineland Emperor 400 Pro Series Bio-wheel x 1
    • Aquatop GH150, 150 watt submersible heater x 2
    • Protein skimmer of some kind approx. 2 months after setup (was told I didn't need one before that) x 1

    Planned fish(not sure on # or combination yet)
    • clownfish
    • chromis
    • basslet
    • dottyback
    • goby

    Questions:
    • Do I need 2 heaters? We keep our house between 68-76 degrees all year round
    • I read some old forum posts about RO water from Hy-Vee, is this still viable? If not my plan was to buy distilled
    • I've been browsing LiveAquaria.com for live rock, fish, etc. anyone have experience with them? I've also been to Adam's Aquatics in Des Moines once and their fish looked good.
    Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance for any help/advice!
     
  2. jweb

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    Run some type of sump I have the same tank. And I did all hang on the back and it was a pain. If you want pictures I can send you some.
     
  3. StormyMoe

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    Sumps are something I've spent very little time looking at. I've read about them in my hours of perusing the internet for saltwater articles but had always had HOB equipment with my freshwater tanks. How big of sump do you have for the tank? Did you do a DIY project or purchase something? Thanks!
     
  4. Borky00 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Welcome to the hobby!

    I have only 1 heater the second is a backup but I watch my tank closely so I will know a problem (hopefully) soon enough.

    Don't buy Distilled. Use RODI, I think most shops sell it. if not buy from a friend with a RODI until you get one. Well worth buying your own.

    Sorry no experience with Des Moines pet shops but good idea to get others opinions. Just make sure you quarantine the purchases.

    Have fun
    P.S. Keep reading there is lots to know and you will often get multiple opinions.
     
  5. jweb

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    I run a wet/dry sump. It was ment for a freshwater tank but I added a spot for my skimmer. It works good. Has the hang on back over flow
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    I can send some pictures if you would like. From my phone
     
  6. MadManMadrid Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Sump there is no set size to having a sump the key part in my opinion is having enough room in it in case of power failure. Water will back flow from the main tank into the sump so you want plenty of room in there. For the 40 breeder i have a 20 gallon long. And for the 125 gallon tank i got a 40 breeder tank as a sump. It just all depends on what you have room for.
     
  7. jweb

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    So true. Back flow with a power outage can be a mess if there is no room for it to go.
     
  8. StormyMoe

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    Great advice thank you! Power failures weren't discussed in any of the article I had read.
     
  9. StormyMoe

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    Thanks but after some quick searching I found some ideas. Since you have the same tank though, do you still have the original hood & light or have you changed it out?
     
  10. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    I agree on the advice to look into a sump. They are nice for added water volume, and to hide all the ugly equipment. Drill the tank and don't mess with over the top overflow. There are plenty of people in the club that would help you out and point you in the right direction with that project.
    Ditch the biowheel. Live rock will be your biological filtration. Skimmer will be your mechanical. If you choose to run carbon I would get a dedicated reactor for it.
    2 smaller heaters rather than one larger on are usually recommended. That way if there is some kind of problem and one sticks on HOPEFULLY it doesn't cook the tank before you notice the issue.
    You're on the right track with asking lots of questions and looking for advice. Reasearch, research, research, and take your time setting it up. Nothing good ever happens when you rush a reef setup.
     
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  11. StormyMoe

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    The drilling definitely scares me, and honestly I was shying away from a sump just because it seemed like an additional expense, but a sump definitely seems like the way to go. Did a quick look at the local CraigList and looks like someone has an Oceanic Model 1 that should fit in my cabinet. Asking $50, is that reasonable? Would that be a decent sump? Thanks!
     
  12. Buku Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    If you do a sump I would look for/build one with a fuge. I think a fuge really is a hugely beneficial to a saltwater tank. Its houses pods and the algae in there will eat phosphates, algae will also help keep your pH raised as well. Otherwise you will have to run GFO which gets expensive. As far as faulty heaters cooking your tank I also believe a controller is a must. If you're investing all of this money into a tank a few hundred more for a nice controller is worth it for built in redundancies.
     
  13. Buku Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Also get a quality skimmer. New ones can get expensive, so I would look for a used one. I tried a Vertex skimmer and was so impressed I bought 3 more to put on my other tanks.
     
  14. StormyMoe

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    Thanks Buku! Browsing the for sale section of the site now looking for a deal!
     
  15. Buku Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I would decide if you're going to do a sump first or not. No point in buying a HOB skimmer then buying one later that will fit in your sump.
     
  16. mattman319 SoManyTanks

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    If u do decide on a sump I have this 40 breeder drilled for $50. All baffles r 1/2" glass except one.
     
  17. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    I would shy away from any stock sump from oceanic or eshoops personally. They are usually poorly designed and made to house things like bioballs and filter pads

    You're better off IMO with a plain 40 breeder or a 30 long and no water level control. Meaning no baffles. Adding baffles or drop-in chambers for certain components that prefer a constant water level is easy with a plain old tank for a sump

    Live rock, skimmer, fuge/scrubber, carbon (or Purigen in an Avast Spyglass reactor) is a pretty good combo.

    Also look into autotopoff.com for an ATO. Makes another parameter easy to control (salinity)

    +1 on getting an RODI. Will save you in the long run.

    For salt I prefer Aquacraft myself. You can get it at 4Paws Unleashed on NE 14th St.

    As far as pet stores in DSM, Iowa Pet Foods & Aquatics (Seascapes) and try to catch Tim, tell him Bud says hi. If they don't have something you want or what they have doesn't satisfy they can order anything for you.

    Or, you can throw out a feeler here under buy/sell/trade. I've bought almost all my stock locally.

    Welcome!!
     
  18. StormyMoe

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    Thanks everyone for the replies, the information has definitely been helpful and given me even more to think about. I just measured the bottom of my stand and I don't think a 40 breeder is going to fit in there. I've got roughly 33"x18"x18" so I think that drops me to a 29gal sump if I went that way. Which brings up another question, is that big enough/worth it on a 65gal display tank? How much space do I need between the top of the sump and the roof of the cabinet? I've been to Iowa Pet Food & Aquatics before, great looking store, I'll get back in there soon to check things out. Thanks for all of the help!
     
  19. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    For a 65, I would think a 20 long would work. Possibly even a 15g
     
  20. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Oh yes and as for the whole sump-overflowing avoidance issue, this is really easy. Once sump is in place, fill the display tank such that it just starts to drain into sump. Now fill the sump to the maximum level you are comfortable with.

    Turn on the return pump. If it drains it down and it starts to suck air, dial the pump back. Once you find an operational point you are satisfied with (you want to allow for some evap so that you don't have to add water 4x/day) then shut the pump off and verify that you don't have any back-siphoning that would drain the tank down more than you thought. If so, adjust return nozzles and repeat start/run/stop.

    Or you could go through all the volume and draw down calculations, but that's only really necessary when you are planning out a custom sump or a high flow system like a larger tank running a BeanAnimal overflow or something like that.
     

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