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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pygmey, Jul 4, 2014.

  1. Pygmey Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Just had an interesting thought and wanted some opinons. I know it is bad to do anything quickly in a tank. If your alk is high drop it slowly, if ph is high or low adjust slowly, phosphates, nitrates and the list goes on. But my question is when you buy a fish or coral from a store or hobbyist you do not knowthe conditions or the levels of nutrients that coral was in. So what is stopping that coral from dying due to extreme tank difference?
     
  2. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    That's called acclimation :0) If you suspect really bad water quaity/conditions the coral was in, just take even longer when acclimating it. You can also test the water that the coral came/was bagged in
     
  3. Pygmey Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I agree on the acclimation.. I acclimate and dip every coral or frag.. I am just curious why we do not see a frag die if there is a large change where a large change in phospjhates in one day could cause some rtn or stn
     
  4. Zach Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Drip acclimation is a key to surviving and saving thousands in this hobby. With that asside. You can always take a sample of the water in ths coral or fish bag and test it to see where abouts it is sitting.

    I dont Introduce the specimen into the qt until the salinity is almost a match. Ph will typically be closer at that point as well.

    With that aside. Nutrient levels of reef areas differ from hour to hour day to day. It's easy to forget how huge reefs are when we look at our closed system tanks. A night when anemones coals or even fish are spawning cause extreme spikes in the reef. But this does not trigger issues. Passing current shifts can stir up nutrient rich waters from denser areas of the reef and it usually causes no issue. The shift from tank to tank is not usually that huge. And if the phosphates are that high in your tank you will see issue yes.

    Corals e en the more fragile types will take a short while to acclimate to the new co ditions of the tank
    This is why you often see lps not extended. Or various sps still tightly closed the first week or two.

    Tissue necrosis is a direct result of damage followed by some type of bacterial bloom as the necrotic tissue gives of itsnutrients. Usually unrelated to nutrient levels or specifically phosphates.

    Phosphates have two major influences on marine aquariums: Algae growth (especially of the ones we don’t like looking at) can be promoted by high levels of phosphates, and corals don’t react very well to high phosphate levels (stunted growth, general decay). 
    The production of the calcareous skeleton of stony corals is significantly inhibited by high phosphate levels, but most of the more sensitive soft corals don’t react happily to high phosphate levels as well. Therefore, such high concentration should be avoided. But how high is high?

    The water of natural coral reefs contains very little phosphate, typically around 0.005 ppm, significantly lower levels can result in a kind of coral bleaching (Tissue cannot regenerate anymore), so this should be smallest desirable concentration. 
    Serious decrease of coral growth was detected at concentrations above 0.1 ppm. This can be considered ideally as the maximum level you should have in your reef tank with stony corals. 0.25 should do if you only have easy coral species, below 0.1 ppm seems mandatory for the more sensitive ones.

    While corals can react negatively to an increase of phosphates, fish apparently are not affected. Whenever the fish are doing great, and the corals are declining, it’s time to check the phosphate level of a tank.

     
  5. F.D. Reefer Well-Known ReefKeeper

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  6. Pygmey Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    "Tissue necrosis is a direct result of damage followed by some type of bacterial bloom as the necrotic tissue gives of itsnutrients. Usually unrelated to nutrient levels or specifically phosphates."

    Define damage. If your parameters are off I have seen an SPS RTN or STN for reasons other than damage
     
  7. Zach Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Damage is a break in the tissue caused by trauma. Calling sloughing necrosis is a misnomer as the tissue is not rotting locally but dying systematically. Sps fans have a good deal to learn in general. And most hobbyists have a very vauge understanding of the differences from lps to sps. The terminology for classifications of lps and sps came about before the Internet was even invented. Its easily time for a reevaluation of these clasifications.

    But again different discussion in itself.

    just remember that necrosis no matter the speed is defined by localized rotting. Overall sloughing is not necrosis but systematic death. Very different.

    Its also good to keep in mind that sps corals are going to slough for different reasons. And labeling any death as a necrosis is a miss diagnosis.
     
  8. hart

    hart Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I honestly think most over-acclimate. Most the critters we keep are from tidal zones (well sps and some inverts) they get exposed to air and full sun and even get rained on and exposed to changing conditions as the tide comes in. Now there are some delicate species and inverts, but I have never lost a coral by just quick temp acclimation, bayer dip and rinse and putting in display.
     
  9. jeremy Acro Addict

    Davenport, IA
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    That's how I acclimate also. Float bag, mix my tank water and water coral came in over about 10 minutes then Bayer dip, rinse, then in frag tank for lighting acclimation.
     
  10. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Me three as far as acclimation goes, I think corals are way more resilient than people think. That being said, I'm sure the more involved acclimation procedures don't do any harm, so to each their own.
     

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