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RODI unit putting out 2ppm TDS?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jnjsad, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    I have an RODI unit that on my TDS unit attached to it fluctuates between 0 and 1 TDS going out.  I questioned this recently when I switched it over to view TDS coming in.  It ready zero.  Turn water off, did it again....read TDS 1 going in.  Turned off, did it again, read 120 TDS going in...still between 0-1 coming out.  I purchased a digital TDS reader and dipped it in my RODI water...comes up 2 TDS. 
    Questions:
    1.  Is 2 TDS okay for mixed reef tank.
    2.  How do I get down to zero?
    Purchased system used from fellow club member and was told it was putting out zero tds so I have no reason to doubt that.  Why would it be zero for him, but not for me?  I have some resin I can try packing/replacing.?  All filters look clean as well.
     
  2. bobov50

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    Their might be some build up on the TDS sensor that is why it reads 2 and sometimes 120. My TDS going in is around 240 and i have seen some as low as 140. whats important is the water coming out and zero is the target for any RODI unit.I know i have mixed water with even 5 or 6 TDS but i don't recommend this because it can lead to hair algae. If the filters are clean your DI resin might need to be replaced i change my DI resin as soon as my TDS go to 1. You can also purchase more DI canisters and run double the resin to get your TDS back down to zero. One more thing the first stage filter can become rusty colored pretty fast so i have many of those on hand that i switch out as soon as they change color this also helps save the life of your more expensive filters and membrane. hope this helps good luck
     
  3. Jamie

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    I wouldn't worry about the TDS of the water going into your RO unit, it will vary based on your municipal water supply, you can't do much about that. I would monitor the TDS out of the ro unit and out of the DI unit.


    When you say you dipped the meter are you running the rodi water into something then testing it? Unless your cleaning and rinsing the test cup first with RODI water you may be picking TDS up there giving you a inaccurate reading. Better to test the water in the steam running out of the DI.


    Initial water purity will be the biggest factor as to how much the DI will remove also the more TDS going into the DI the longer contact time it will need to remove it. (you could run straight tap water through a DI filter and get 0 TDS out of it if the flow is low enough, you would however be changing the DI media very often though.


    Water pressure will also make a difference and does very a lot from one location to another. The slower the water flows through the DI resin the more TDS it will uptake out of the water before exiting. I have a regulator on the in side of my DI canister that brings the actual water pressure down to 10psi from about 70psi initially coming out of the RO unit to insure that all TDS is absorbed from the water.







    You can find the regulator I use HERE
     
  4. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    I dipped the tds reader in by storage container. My water pressure from faucet was 20. I used a pump to get it to 60. I will change the di tomorrow and see if that works.
     
  5. Guest

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    Do you have the instructions for your TDS meter?  Make sure your probes are aligned properly.  That is often the cause of situations like these.






     


    Russ
     
  6. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    Okay, I changed my DI resin, and I went from 2 TDS out - to 4-5 TDS out. That was from the TDS meter on the unit. I used my digital portable TDS meter and took a sample from the storage unit the new RO water is going into - it read 34! What am I donig wrong? My old DI resin was an oragne rusty color - so it was time to change that anyway. But how can I get worse output now?
     
  7. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    Nevermind. hahaha....I re-installed the container that holds the resin upside down. duh.
     
  8. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Glad you got it figured out.

    I use the BRS color-changing DI resin and that is very handy. +1 on double-DI canister, because when your DI resin starts to get close to being used up, your TDS will creep up as the contact time with the unsaturated resin decreases, and you end up having to waste 25-35% of your resin. I'm going to be getting another one pretty soon here myself because I'm at about 50%.

    Good tip on replacing the #1 stage, mine here in WDM turns a nice brown color after about 6 months of on/off use.

    +1 on cleaning, testing, and calibrating TDS meters. Although I'm not sure how much good that really does in some cases, I have a Hanna combo meter and one thing I've noticed is that when you put it in the calibration solution and it says it's done, the TDS is bouncing all over the place, and simply swirling the meter in the solution causes it to rapidly change, then you stop moving it and it goes the other direction, and I'm talking 20-40 points in each direction. I've never really searched to see if this is normal.

    +1 on clean container. When I test, I put the container in the stream and let it fill up and dump it a few times, then swirl the meter in there and let it 'pump and dump' for a while, occasionally dumping most of the water out and letting it fill back up. I can watch the TDS drop right down to zero.
     
  9. B-Rad

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    I'm sure your aware of it, but did you let it run for a bit before you took your readings? when an RO first turns on you will get a hire reading on the tds.
    As far as getting readings of 0 on the output side, I would not put to much emphasis on it as long as it stays below 5 its not that big a deal. 0 would be great but you will not see any dif in you're corals.
    What you should be more concerned about is the PHOS that comes through the RO/DI, I would test that and see just what your readings are. I tested mine and was shocked at what my readings were.
     
  10. B-Rad

    B-Rad Inactive User

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    Never mind I see you fixed it. LOL
     
  11. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    Here is my setup - I do have an extra cannister to attach either as a pre-filter or DI resin - just can't seem to find a place to attach it.  This is in a storage closet at work and my stand is 2'x2'.  Can't attach anything to the walls so I drilled into my steel pole shelving unit and put attached the white board to mount the RODI unit onto it.  My pump is above the unit and my "T" connector fills my brute cannister first...before it then gets the backpressure to divert water up to my RODI storage unit.  Not the best array, but so far, it's working.  Open to any input suggestions folks have.  So far, it appears my filters are pretty clean...except perhpas the 3rd 1 micron stage? 
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  12. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Just to be clear, we're looking at the #1 stage on the right (not left, duh) of those 3, correct? That is pretty gunky, close to what mine looks like and I consider mine due for replacement.
    Also, when you say you are feeding a DI reservoir, expand on this.
    One thing that happens with RO systems when connected to holding tanks is that you will get a TDS creep. I spoke to a guy who has 20+ years of RO unit experience once at length about this. When you put backpressure on a RO membrane, it allows a higher TDS on the effluent side to build up. You can see this for yourself for instance if you start with an empty holding tank and measure the TDS out of your RO, which should be low. Then let it fill all the way and leave it alone for a day, then test the TDS right out of the membrane and it will be very high. The low flow across the membrane (low pressure differential) allows migration of more of what can get through the membrane per unit of effluent (per gallon, per cup, etc) versus a lower amount that gets through under normal conditions (high pressure differential) per unit effluent. Essentially you are concentrating the TDS. As you build up the pressure in the DI holding tank, the TDS that you're feeding to the DI section gets higher and higher. When you drain your DI holding tank completely and start it flowing again, you hit the DI with a high TDS, unless you install a bypass valve between the two and let it flow free for a few minutes.
    I have mine set up with a series of shutoff valves and taps so that when I make water, I can let the RO effluent flow free and clear the housing of stagnant water. I usually let about 0.5 to 1.0 gallon of RO go down the drain, then I close that valve and open the DI feed valve and let that run for a few minutes and then it's good.
     
  13. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    Yes, Bud - you are correct. The first sedement filter is the one on the right (next to the red filter). My RO water goes into a storage bin up top...like a thick rubbermaid type container that I use for RODI storage water. I then have a spigot I use to fill top off bucket and my salt mixing bin.
     
  14. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Oh, I see, so neither is a pressurized storage container then? So RO/DI water in a Brute can, and RO up above, what's the RO above for? Just curious...
     
  15. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    Brute can below is for salt mixing.  RO Above is for water top off.  No pressurized containers.  I am able to wheel the salt mixing cannister out to my office and pump new saltwater in DT for water changes. 
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  16. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    Would I have any need to check the TDS in my DT? I think when you add salt - that would naturally increase the level of TDS right? Just curious.
     
  17. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    yes, checking TDS in the DT will tell you nothing really.
     

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