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Advice? Silicone recommendations

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Chief Reef, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. Chief Reef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    last night was the first water test on my 35 gallon AIO aquarium that I have been assembling for about a month now. The water test did not go so well with many leaks from different areas, although I thought I checked for air pockets thoroughly I was wrong. When I started picking at the silicone I found that it was fairly easy to pull off apart. The parts that were leaking have been curing for at least a few week, if not longer. I forgot the brand of silicone I got but it said 100% silicone meant for windows and siding and it smelled like horseradish, it also did not say anything about mold so I figured I was good to go, but I guess not.

    Anyone have success stories with a certain brand they use?

    I really don't feel like wasting another 5 hours scraping silicone off of glass so I figured to ask the smartest people around! Any input is appreciated,
    Thank you
    Andrew
     
  2. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    If it was exterior silicone, dunno...

    This is a widely discussed issue, it comes up over and over again. The bottom line is the best one, which almost all aquarium manufacturers use, is Momentive RTV 100 series.

    https://www.momentive.com/products/show-technical-datasheet.aspx?id=10289

    For clear, this is RTV-108. You can get this in many places. I guarantee you this brand is safe, there is zero question. Also it's not particularly expensive

    72 hours to water-test. 2 weeks to full cure / reef safe. Yes, 2 weeks.

    I'm not the expert on full assembly but what I do know is that it's one thing to just reseal the inner joints - a full assembly is a whole 'nother level.

    Getting a joint with no bubbles that could push through existing panel-to-panel joints, you got me there....I tried 2x on one tank and didn't even bother to water test it.
     
  3. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Also surfaces have to be super clean, scraped down and wiped with denatured alcohol prior to application but I'm guessing that you knew that. As for it coming off easy, silicone is kind of like that in the way that once you get a corner/edge going, you can peel it off as it has good self-adhesion (forms a solid that doesn't tend to tear) but the adhesion to the glass is a bit different mechanically, you can peel it off but if you try to break the bond by sliding the glass panel (if you could) it would not detach easily. Hard to explain but the point is that ripping the silicone off being easy does not necessarily equate to a bad application/bond
     
  4. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I will say rtv108 is some soild stuff i put together a tank but had to tear it apart didn't notice a panel moved on me and now i have to stay over. When i was tearing it apart i thought i was going to break the glass.

    Sent from my SM-N920V via App
     
  5. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    Either the stuff Bud mentioned or anything listed and sold specifically for aquariums. When I needed some I bought aqueon labeled silicone. Probably paid a little more, but it ensured that is was the right stuff that wouldn't cause issues.
     
  6. avratney

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    I use GE type 1 from walmart 5 dollars a tube and used it for my first sump it was up and running 2 years before I scraped it out to build it a different way witch was a month ago used the same stuff again no problems
     
  7. Actuary Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Is it possible to find RTV-108 locally (DSM area)? 2 weeks seems like a pretty long cure time. What's the cure time on GE-I?
     
  8. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Check your local grainger even ifv they half to order it should have it in a day or 2

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  9. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    That cure time is for all silicone. No matter what you have ever heard, silicone has a 2 week full cure time to reef safe. Others can say they didn't wait that long and were fine and so might you, but you also might not.

    i.e. siliconing up a sump quick and putting it into action in an established tank could lead to issues that you might otherwise think were something completely different if you thought 72 hrs was full cure reef safe time. This 2 week cure time comes from manufacturers of aquariums.
     
  10. Chief Reef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    This could have been the issue with me. Some of the parts had silicone from weeks prior (tank itself) and some were 5-6 days (baffles, back wall, euro brace). The newer seals were still soft and gooey on the inside when I razor bladed the glass even tho it had been almost a week. I think this is why some areas were leaking but part of it was application error. I sort of made a crease in the silicone by running a second layer over the first fresh coat of silicone, if that makes sense? I thought it would be OK since I had applied the first layer just moments prior but I guess it wasn't fast enough.
     
  11. avratney

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    I give it 72 hours have used this for many projects over the past years all ways allowed 72 hours and have never had any problems with leaking or leaching
     
  12. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    I pulled the acrylic off the bottom of that 120 I bought from you and there was silicone under there was still actually 100% uncured. Still smelled and felt like it had just came out of the tube. I'm guessing whoever tried to reseal that tank, and stuck that acrylic on the bottom didn't let it cure out well enough before filling it back up with water.
     
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