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solve q+(2^(q-2))=t in terms of q

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Andy The Reef Guy, Oct 29, 2011.

  1. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    Yeah.....I keep getting q= (((lnt/ln2)+2)/2))
    But it doesn't work out when I plug numbers back into it.....
     
  2. kyro

    kyro Inactive User

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    How did u get to this point? Can u show your work
     
  3. Andy The Reef Guy

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    so 2^(q-2) = (q-2) x ln2

    yeah then on the other side = lnt

    q+(q-2) ln2= lnt

    q+(q-2) = lnt/ln2

    yeah, then idk...
     
  4. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    Math without numbers.... I remember those days LOL.
     
  5. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    real word usage is?
     
  6. Kylie

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    The closest I can get as of now is log(q) + .301q = log(t) + .602
    Not sure how to separate the q's out after that... been a while since algebra and log crap..
    *important note is that I'm using the log with base 10, not natural log with base e*
     
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  8. Waverz

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    Wolfgram Alpha to the rescue!!!
     
  9. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    I think you are assuming that ln (a + b) = ln a + ln b and this is not true...working on this...
     
  10. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    plus you can't take ln of only one term on one side, you have to take the ln of the entire side...
     
  11. Andy The Reef Guy

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    Top Secret! lol
    In a sense I'm trying to determine my MSY (maximum sustainable yield), maximum efficiency yield actually. I'm assuming that gross production is a function of circumference, and with that assumption I've calculated the growth rate of my cyphestera (metorshower) and tried to determine if there was a difference in production per square inch (effort) based on the starting size of the mother colony. I determined the maximal amount of annual production as a function of the diameter. Second I constrained this data according to the proportions of my frag tank and correlated the maximum % production capacity on one y axis against, maximum possible production on another y axis, both underscored by size of the mother colony. The intersection of these two y axises is an optimization, and the other values associated with this intersection is the $/year, # of species, % value of how hard I'm pushing a species to perform (and of course % value of how much potential I'm loosing from any given mother colonies based on the 2D component of the frag tank). What's really cool is that I'm building these into an excel spread sheet where I can manipulate numerous parameters.

    I'd love to see any data you have so that I can corroborate growth rates, get a good average, and compare species and different genera. Conditions and parameters will be added once they can be tested empirically, I'm not going to assume on those variables since I don't have hard data for them, only simply using observed conditions and I'll work out the modifications later.
     
  12. Andy The Reef Guy

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    This is getting somewhere now.....I've been mashing my brain up on this problem all weekend. This helps a lot! Back to the drawing board (btw I was aware however that ln a+b is not equal to ln a + ln b, but I had a feeling that I might have not done the operation correctly in light of the correct identity; ln (q+t)= ln q + ln (1 + t/q)
    hmmmm
     
  13. Andy The Reef Guy

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    can you show your work kylie? lol this one seems crazy to me since there are no real numbers to begin with lol
     
  14. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    That identity complicates things further....

    ln q + ln (1+ ((2^(q-2))/q)= ln t
     
  15. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    I've been searching for that identity for hours, where did you find that
     
  16. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    nevermind I just found it
     
  17. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    lol old trig note book! I knew keeping that chicken scratch would come in handy!
     
  18. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    I have been going in circles on this one. It's got me stumped. I posted on physics forums let's see what those dudes come up with
     
  19. Andy The Reef Guy

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    Yeah! I've been pounding out this one for the last two days at breakfast lunch and dinner and I just cannot figure it out. I've killed like 20 sheets of paper trying to figure it using different identities, I even tried to integrate some terms but no avail.
     
  20. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    And the answer is....drum roll...

    The Lambert Function

    http://www3.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+T+%3D+Q+%2B+2%5E%28Q-2%29+for+Q
     

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