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Sump overflow pump shutdown in emergency: please make recommendations please.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Justin S., Jul 1, 2014.

  1. Justin S. Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I had my sump overflow and my apartment flood a little bit yesterday for the first time when my over the back siphon got a tad out of control and my return pumps were without power. I know my check valves can prevent the sump from overflowing when the flow reverses during power out. Additionally I'm thinking I can drill just the right hole at some spot on my **over the back** siphon drain pipe so that the siphon breaks at a certain low water level in the tank. But I want a safeguard that can "sense" the sump is nearing an overflow and shutdown my pumps down right away! Additionally if it's not too much is possible for it to turn my pumps back on once the water level returns to normal. Can this be incorporated into an ATO system of some type? Please make me some product solution recommendations! Thanks!
     
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  2. jazzybio13 MBI Breeder

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    You should most definitely always have at least one siphon break hole in an overflow system. We never put any less than two in all ours. You know just in case that one snail decides to cover that hole at just the wrong moment!
     
  3. Zach Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Justin. Poke a couple holes in your return line as well at the firs elbow inside the tank. One thing you want to watch for is turn the piwer off and know what your systwm is going to do reliably. That is a pretty critical key.

    If the sump starts to fill up too much find out where and why its still dumping. Ideally you will be looking to fill the sump.as much as need be fornthe eqipment to run. Andhave enough room afterwards for any flow back from the tank.
     
  4. Justin S. Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Your both right, I'll get that done, having it flood once freaks me out because I'll be gone for a week at some point in the near future. I've got a cam that I'll monitor things with but still the thought of things going haywire since I'm still not stable yet is scary.. Ahh... so much work yet so much fun getting things going!
     
  5. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    I always plan for the worst case scenario


    1) sump should be sized such that operating water level allow for draw-down during power off plus entire ATO reservoir. This is the worst case scenario, ATO pump sticks on right after you fill it, then the second it's empty, the power fails.


    2) Never count on a check valve and never design a system that depends on it working to stop backsiphoning. IMO check valves are only useful in situations where you have a return pump that does not like to restart after a short outage in which the water is backsiphoning through the pump. Some Iwaki external pumps fall into this category, the pump won't restart, so a check valve is needed.


    3) Place at least one return jet high enough in the water such that it will break the backsiphon. You can have other branches, as long as you have one near the top of the water. An anti-siphon hole in the return line will need to be cleaned out periodically, and will probably get clogged and fail at the most perfect moment.


    4) Test your setup with a simulated power outage (without check valves installed)


    When I build a system, I always make sure the top return jet is higher than the lowest point of the overflow, if possible. So the minimum power-fail water level in the tank is dictated by the overflow fence, and the backsiphon is guaranteed to stop before that point. Then you can calculate the draw-down volume by multiplying the LxW of the tank by the draw-down height, divide by 231, and this gives you gallons. You need at least this much additional capacity in your sump (plus ATO) to avoid overflow.


    Following this technique, you will not have to worry about overflow.
     

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