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switched from t5 to leds...hate it

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mikesams05p71, May 31, 2014.

  1. mikesams05p71

    mikesams05p71 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    swtiched from 6 bulb t5ho to chinese leds full spectrum...loved it for first month. running them at 50%. looked great. now I am noticing things not looking so good. zoas are all open. lps open but not all the way i dont think. got a few sps colonies that are not opening up like they used to and starting to bleach at the bottom...my question is for those who switched from t5 to led what % are you running them at....should i run them a little stronger? if it wasnt for my wife telling me no I think i'd be all for taking a break from the hobby. but she wants to keep the tank and im getting frustrated. only thing i have switched are the lights.lights are the 165 watt full spectrum and dimmable. they are 14" above the tank. any one have any idea of par between 6 bulb t5ho compared to these leds?? thanks.
     
  2. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I have found the lights to be extremely bright, some of my zoas shifted color when I switched to leds and some refused to open all the way. I run my blues pretty high, about 90 %, but my whites are less than 50%. Sps does exceptionally well, zoas are hit or miss depending on type. I put my zoas very low or off center in the tank as well.


    I would say turn them down a little bit, or rescape so zoas are not under direct light.

    I like my leds and growth has been good, however I am in agreement that T-5s do give a nicer look to the tank.
     
  3. MXC207 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I dont know anything about ebay lights but my ai's i run most colors over 80%. If i had to guess its too low and needs bumped up.
     
  4. mikesams05p71

    mikesams05p71 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    can i ask what leds you have? so you think maye try blues alittle higher and whites alittle lower? i wish I would of kept the t5's at this point. but i know leds are great and lots of people love them. I guess i just have to find whats right for my tank.
     
  5. Zach Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Keep in mind that when you switch lights you can cause a bunch of fun in the tank. be sure to watch your levels and start testing regularly. It is also a good idea to 'shade' corals with a piece of screening (or two) for the first week and then remove a bit the second and give them time to acclimate to the new lighting conditions.
     
  6. mikesams05p71

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    I was wondering the same thing...since zoas are lps are open basically and the sps are acting funny maybe they need to be run a bit brighter. about to just crank blues all the way and whites at 75 lol. cant look any worse then its gotten last few weeks.
     
  7. new2salt

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    the light I just put on yesterday had four different pre programmed settings I went with one that's recommend for growth and it runs the blues at 100 and whites at 100 for twelve hours however I turned the whites down to 75 everything seems fine but one set of my green star polyps are about 50% open I guess this is something I'll have to keep an eye on and maybe keep my t5 fixture just in case my sps is at the top of the tank and it still looks good I hope you get it figured out you have lot's of knowledge and I'd hate tosee you take a break from the hobby
     
  8. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Bleaching=too much light. Remember that blues also give off high Par. You might be having some other thing going on as the SPS's bleaching at the bottom doesn't sound like from lighting...hmmm. It's difficult but remember that "slow and steady" usually provides good results. Good luck!
     
  9. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    Red bugs?
     
  10. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I have evergrow d120s. I would look for something other than lighting if it were me as well
     
  11. mikesams05p71

    mikesams05p71 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I'll start checking other things...sorry I'm slow today. My dog is in the middle of having puppies!
     
  12. mikesams05p71

    mikesams05p71 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    What do you run your evergrows on?
     
  13. Zach Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    To note, you can also get bleaching from too little or too much nutrients in the water column. But I think Sponge is on the right track here. I think it might just be lighting shock.



     
  14. klmule Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Also, bleaching can be cause by fluctuations in water temperature. Just did a bunch of research on it.
     
  15. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    Did you get the unit with optics? My unit does not have the optics, and I struggle with the same thing. I've got it over the frag tank - and can'd decide if I need more or less light. I've got my lights running now at about 50% power level - and they are only about 7 inches above the top of the tank. I've taken a bunch of par readings - and even at 100% power level - I don't have as much par as with the 6 bulb T5 on my display tank. ............ But I've come to believe that PAR is not equivalent between the two types of light fixtures.



     
  16. mikesams05p71

    mikesams05p71 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I'm going to do a water change and change out carbon and gfo tomorrow. And ya mine have 90 optics.....so confusing...
     
  17. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    With LED's, it's PUR I believe when I was researching a long time ago. If someone has a LUX meter, you could possibly borrow that and check what you are getting...might be closer than using the Par meter.. Or, use the club's Par meter...you could get an idea anyway./DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/unsure.gif


    If nothing else had changed over that month, I think it's probably lighting related. Especially when you are seeing basically every coral in the tank reacting differently than normal. If you had a water temp change, the SPS's could RTN but unless it was a prolonged and drastic temp change, the LPS and zoas would have bounced back, usually. If the NO3 and/or PO4 changed quickly and dramatically, all the corals might react and, as to what you are seeing.


    With the SPS's in particular, be very careful with the WC- match the temp as closely as possible/DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif Make sure you rinse the GAC and GFO really well too-don't want fines irritating them to cause more stress/DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/wink.gif Hopefully the slow and steady, and making a single, small change will keep them from going further downhill!


    How many puppies?! What breed? Hope they are all fine/DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/wow.gif



     
  18. mikesams05p71

    mikesams05p71 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    After spending a day messing with the tank. Did all the maintance and water change. And somehow my salinity was .022. Maybe that's the problem. Gonna slowly raise that back up and see what happens. I think I'll run lights at 50% white and 70% blue. ...and pups are doin good. Small litter of only 4. First and only litter. Moms a great Pyrenees and malamute mix. Dads Pyrenees and black mouth cur. Mom is 60 lbs and dad is 85-90 lbs probly. Big dad is scared of the little things.
     
  19. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

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    Also look at your LED height off your water. 14" is a long ways. I have seen many issues with that. Really all depends on your optic also, but still 14" is a long ways for the LED to travel into your water depth. This is just my 2 cents

    KP


     
  20. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/hehe.gif Big dad is right! and Mom's nothing to sneeze at! We just lost our GWP mom 2 weeks ago. She was almost 15, an excellent hunter and Mom of 10 pups! I slept in the basement for 3 nights to ensure that everything was fine/DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/rolleyes.gif It was probably more for me than her and the pups! lol


    1.022 definitely could be the problem if it was that low for some time. Was the salinity that low before the WC or after? Hopefully that was the problem!/DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/unsure.gif



     

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