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T5 HO and algae

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by etmeyer4327, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. etmeyer4327

    etmeyer4327

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    I want to share a personal experience with my tank. I know this is commonly known, but took me by surprise how quickly it happened.


    So I have a 72" AquaticLife T5 HO and Lunar LED light fixture with eight, 36" T5 bulbs. The fixture can separately run blues (two 420/460nm blue bulbs and two 460/620nm purple bulbs), whites (two 10,000K white bulbs and two 420/460nm blue bulbs), and the 6 led lunar lights.


    I had been running my blues for 10 hours a day, my whites for 5 hours a day in the middle of the blue period, and my lunars for 30 min following the end of the blue period. I had noticed about 3 weeks ago I was starting to get some nuisance algae (cyano) on my sand bed in specific areas that produced bubbles every day and in greater numbers as the towards the end of the daily lighting period. Well the bulbs were almost a year old and I knew they needed replaced. Trying to be conservative, I replaced 6 of the 8 bulbs, leaving the 11 month old 10,000K whites alone thinking they were ran half as long during this time and I could stretch them out a little longer. About a week ago, the 6 bulbs were replaced, yet my nuisance algae was getting worse and worse. So what I did was turn the white cycle off altogether and reduced the blue cycle from 10 hours to 8 hours. The next day the algae was still there but much fewer bubbles. And the next day, it was like the algae was not even there!


    Without any other changes to the tank, I can only conclude that when my 10,000K bulbs start to go bad, they can cause chaos pretty quickly. Needless to say, I have two bulbs on their way.


    Anyone else experience a similar situation?
     
  2. iowathode Inactive User

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    Just a theory here, but perhaps your issue wasn't with old bulbs at all. You developed the cyno, and since they feed off the red/green spectrum of the daylight bulbs, eliminating them for a period of time killed it off. It may come back stronger with new bulbs. I.e. A stronger red/green source. Do you have elevated nitrate/phosphate? Just a theory. I wouldn't see why new daylight would eliminate cyno, but can see why eliminating that daylight source would.
     
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  3. jeremy Acro Addict

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    I have never personally had it happen to me but I have read about algae problems from old bulb because of a spectrum shift as they wear out. I know if I go a year on my blue bulbs my corals aren't as colorful. And when I change bulbs I change 1 or 2 bulbs every 3-5 days so I don't shock the corals with the brighter new bulbs. I usually raise my fi,ture up a couple inches to. But reducing lighting times would work to. I change dusk/dawn bulbs after 10 months and daylights after 11 months. That's my experience with bulb changes. Of course fixtures without cooling fans need replaced around 6 months.
     
  4. etmeyer4327

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    That very well could be the issue as well. My thought process behind the bulbs is that my tank is just over 2 years old now, where practically all of my algae issues came in the first year of having the tank due to a combination of things from adding too fast to figuring out just what I needed to run my tank successfully.


    I run about 200 grams of RowaPhos in a reactor and swap it out monthly, run a reef octo xs160 skimmer (i would have got a bigger one if money allowed at the time) and run pretty wet, light carbon use, about 140 lbs live rock. Tank size is 125 with a 30 gal sump. Pretty good water turnover with about 700-800 gal/h in water return and another 1150 gal/hour each from my wavemakers. I do 17 gallon water changes weekly and dose the tank with c-balance combo solution daily (I know there are easier and better ways, just comfortable right now with a two-part solution).


    This last 12 months has been pretty nice as far as tank maintenance goes with very little issues. I do test nitrates every once in a while but my api test is not overly sophisticated, always shows yellow (0-5 ppm) and phosphates always between 0 to 0.25 ppm. My salinity is always kept at 1.025-1.026, Ca 440-480. Alk 10-11.


    To be honest I haven't added much for bioload over the last 6 months. No new fish and a handful or corals but nothing recent. I have a red sea sailfin tang, yellow tang, 2 black/white clowns, blue throat trigger, 6 line wrasse, usual suspects in a clean up crew, and corals decently covering my live rock. Like I mentioned, this thing started about 3-4 weeks ago and slowly got worse and then over like a 3 day period, seriously just vanished. Now when I say it was bad it wasn't on my rocks, just a few spots on the sand and return pipes.



     
  5. jeremy Acro Addict

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    I am interested in results when new daylights are installed. Hopefully algae don't come back. What brand bulbs are you running?
     
  6. etmeyer4327

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    I use AquaticLife bulbs and never put much thought into cheating on the brand since it is the brand of my fixture.


    I will report back what happens when the 10,000K bulbs are installed (in 5-9 business days..). I am a little worried that there may be a root cause to this other than the bulbs, but to be honest, for sometime now my tank has been pretty stable. My corals are growing pretty well (and sometimes multiplying in areas I prefer them not to be), but no real issues. I do have a flower pot coral I bought last April that is start to regress some, but that's another story.
     
  7. etmeyer4327

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    On another note, I am interested to see what other T5 users are doing for their light periods. Some reef guys smarter than myself told me the 10 hours blue/5 hours white and blue. The led lunar lights are really pretty cool as well at the end of the day.


    If I could start over again I would probably go led's, now paying for bulb replacements every 10-12 months with t5's!
     
  8. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Sometimes things like Cyano or Dinoflaggelates can be cyclic. Meaning they show up and then burn out on their own in a few weeks, and anything you do tends to just mitigate damage.

    Fluorescent lamps in general do tend to shift toward red over time and also lose intensity. These two combined can sometimes result in a sweet spot where algae grows well.
     
  9. jeremy Acro Addict

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    I run my light cycle 10 hours blue and 5 hours daylights. I have tried led and they did not work for me. I get better growth and color with t5. I just setup another frag tank and I am running a halide t5 combo fixture so I will see which one is better for me. I will spend the money on bulb replacement for the rests I get on my system.
    Some people really like led. I tried them and I did t like the results. Just my opinion.
     
  10. chromess 01

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    I built a custom hood for my 73 gal. Went with LED and T5. Originally had a orbit programmable led fixture in the front and a marineland led fixture in the center with 2 T5s in the back. The bulbs were corallife 10k and actinic. Was getting good growth but alot of stretching. I was running closer to a 10hr cycle on all the lights minus the half hour ramp time for sunrise and sunset. I recently took the marineland set out and put 2 more T5s in . I shortened the white cycle so they can get more blues. I too have been fighting cyano. Have been told its a cycle and it will run its course. I notice after a couple days it seems slightly minimized. But have read if you turn your lights off for a few days and cover the tank its suppose to kill it. I can check my actual light cycle if you want. I have the leds programmed for 30 min ramp on the blue and at around 50% blue the white starts to ramp. After that is on the blue T5s turn on and run for about a hour, then the whites. Reverse at night. I can program up to 4 hours of moonlight but I think I have that set at 2 hrs and default moonlight intensity was 10% but that was too bright so I set it at I think 3 or 5%.
     
  11. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    It's not just lights-out, it's blackout. That means that zero, and I mean zero, light gets into the tank. No room lighting, no ambient sunlight, nuthin at all.
     
  12. etmeyer4327

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    I have done a 3 day blackout before during the first year of having my tank, and it did work wonders. It's in the basement, so "blackout" was not a problem.


    As for the current situation, still no cyano popping back up. I have not replaced my 10,000 k lights yet, so therefore, have been running with no white cycle for the last few days. Corals have not been affected negatively by appearance or extension at least. If the cyano comes back on the sand when I install new lights and turn the whites back on, I will have a couple answers then.
     

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