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Talbots Spawned This Morning

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Shayna, Sep 18, 2013.

  1. Shayna

    Shayna Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I was surprised to find early this morning my pair of Talbot Damsels were spawning. I've never been a fan of damsels, but these have been great and have great color. If I can get ahold of some rotifers in the future, I may try to raise some fry. To me, it's a great compliment to know I'm providing a happy environment for them to spawn.





    Here are some pics: (look close in the second pic and you can see eggs)


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    In other news... I managed to spill about 20 gallons of saltwater all over my basement this morning that was intended for a water change tonight. /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/mad.gif
     
  2. mthomp

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    That is so cool.
     
  3. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    So Sweet!

    Raise them up!
     
  4. Shayna

    Shayna Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Thanks guys! I've only had them a few weeks - they've really made themselves at home.

    xroads - I know you've raised a lot of fry... Any ideas on where I could find the right food and where is the best resource for information? I've done a little digging, but I'll definitely need a lot more to go off of. I thought about using info for clownfish, but it appears damsel fry are smaller.

    I've raised quite a few freshwater fish from eggs (neolamp. leleupi, altolamp. calvus, etc.) but saltwater fry raising is all new to me. I do miss the challange and would like to give it a try.
     
  5. Crystal formerly swcrys

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    Love that they spawned so quickly for you.

    So cool how quickly your new tank came together for you and how awesome it looks!!!
     
  6. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Well now you know the spawning date. What you need to do is track and record how long it will take until they hatch.

    To raise them, you will probably need to culture copepods, algae, and rotifers. Not impossible, but does take some time.
     
  7. jazzybio13 MBI Breeder

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    Shayna- that is very awesome for you! So glad you get to experience this side of the hobby. A good place to start diving into research would be the Marine Breeders Initiative. MBI. Here is a link for a general search for chrysiptera genus. now- pending on their mouth size you may be able to get away with rotifers as a first food, maybe not... I think most of them are requiring some smaller first prey... either way if your serious about trying to give these babies a go at it.. get some research in, feel free to message me with questions... I'm a breeder but unfortunately out here in Ames, so a little further than xroads is from ya!

    http://www.mbisite.org/Species.aspx?q=Chrysiptera%20talboti&fori=&class=&g=&page=20
     
  8. Shayna

    Shayna Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Thanks for all the info! I will check out MBI. Now, any ideas on who has Rotifer and Greenwater cultures??
     
  9. jazzybio13 MBI Breeder

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    again, I do have both of those and several other pod cultures as well, but your a bit further away from me. you can certainly order starters and culture them yourslef from places like reed mariculture, seahorsesource.come, florida aqua farms, or even live aquaria. Personally I keep very sterile cultures so I spend the extra money and go with reed mariculture so I know I'm getting the right species and itll be a pure culture. BUT if that's not so big in your mind you can go with one of the others.... there... sea horse source is known for being able to give really good algae starters (if you want to go with live greenwater, as opposed to a paste)...

    I would strongly encourage you to give a look at matt wittenriches book "the breeders guide" it will cover a lot of the basics you'll be looking into.

    http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Illustrated-Breeders-Marine-Aquarium/dp/1890087718


    If you really start digging around on MBI you'll find a TON of info there that will be related directly to what your doing. If you use that link I gave you before that takes you directly to the same genus you're working with. You should go through and look at each persons journal get an idea of how their each doing things and try and copy that and see how far you get! /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/smile.gif

    Please, do feel free to message me if you need help. /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/smile.gif
     
  10. Shayna

    Shayna Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Thanks again jazzy for taking the time to give me so much helpful info. I'm going to do some reading. The rock the eggs are on is small enough and has no corals on it, I think it may be able to just scoop it up. Debating whether I want to try to tackle this now or later, but you'll probably hear from me.. These are probably going to be free swimming in about 5 days it sounds like giving me a couple more days to decide....
     
  11. jazzybio13 MBI Breeder

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    Shayna, this first go around I would (based on any time frames you've looked up) let them hatch naturally where they are... #1) this lets the parents do the dirty work of keeping the nest clean (a whole new battle you probably don't wont to fight quite just yet) and #2) it can be fairly easy to collect them straight out of their current tank as most larvae have a very strong phototactic response. A good 'ol red solo cup and a flashlight will do the trick for grabbing some in the nights to come. (should be anywhere from 20min to 2hrs after lights out, turn your pumps and jets off for this, it'll make it much easier).... this route also lets you see how awesome your first hatch out is in all it's glory! lol...

    Unless you can grab a substantial amount of live rotifers somewhere locally with only 4 days your really not going to be able to do much with just a starter or rotifers... as they need 3 days to really establish themselves and another couple to really bloom (might be right on the line though). I'd say if your serious about this batch... get some roti's asap. If your not, just let them hatch, (share the larvae with someone who's ready/ can handle them) and just get your time line down, and then next time around you'll know right when they spawn, when you need to be ready for the hatch night.


     
  12. Shayna

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    Mr damsel is doing a great job caring for the eggs and he's not letting anyone near him. There are so many tiny eggs, hundreds it looks like. I can't imagine trying to lure them all into a cup while their protector tries to take me down. It seems that it would be easier to remove what the eggs are attached to the rock a day before they should become free swimming and just keep the eggs in a good flow. This is my thought process from hatching tiny freshwater eggs that looked similar to these, so I could be totally wrong here.


    My biggest challange is coming up with food. If I cannot locate a food source then there would be no reason in going through the effort of removing them and stressing the parents out about it. A few years ago there was someone in Marion named Don, can't remember his username on here, but he had greenwater and rotifers.... Anyone know if he's still doing that or how to get ahold of him?


    I'll be heading through Des Moines to Omaha this weekend, so maybe I'll be lucky enough to find a food source along the way.... It's possible I may not even get home before the eggs are free swimming.


    If it doesn't work out this time around, that's just the way it goes, but I am very interested in raising little fish again, so if I can make it work, I certainly will. /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/smile.gif
     
  13. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    You definitly dont want to remove the eggs more then an hour before they hatch. They will quickly fungus and die.

    We have rotifers at the store, but no greenwater. We use paste for our rotifers.

    In the meantime, read all you can and get ready for the second or third batch. They will probably lay every couple of weeks.
     
  14. Shayna

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    Will they most likely continue to lay in the same spot if I do not remove the rock? I'm concerned that they could pick a much harder spot for me to reach next time....


    I was thinking clean water flowing around the eggs should help prevent the fungus issues - but this time around I will probably just leave them in until they hatch.


    Good to know you have rotifers also - does the paste work as well as greenwater? I'm not familiar with that.
     
  15. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    I like the paste. It works well for rotifers and brine shrimp, not so much with copepods.

    Trust me, the eggs fungus fast. People have tried hundreds of ways to incubate the eggs with little to no success.

    It is easy to catch them when they hatch. The night they hatch, turn off the return pump & power heads. Wait for an hour after dark and shine a small light towards the top of the tank. The larvae are attracted to the light and you can easily siphon them off.

    They will probably lay in the same spot on a regular cycle now. Feed them well with frozen and they will lay larger healthier nests.

    Main thing is to start keeping records on a calendar. When they lay and when they hatch. Once you get that down, you will know when to siphon them out.
     
  16. Shayna

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    Ok, it seems to be unanimous I should just take them out after free swimming. I keep trying to compare to freshwater in my mind, but I know if it were the same as freshwater, I'd be finding a lot more info on how to raise the fry successfully. Its going to be a new challange. I wish I knew if rotifers would work, but it doesn't sound like they will from some of the info I've found. At least not until the fry grow a bit.


    I'll be sure to document their spawning cycles. Feeding is no issue. All my fish are well fed with Rod's food, cyclopeeze, and some extra seaweed soaked in garlic.



     
  17. Shayna

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    A better picture of the eggs. The male means serious business. He is constantly guarding them and won't even let the female near them. It's neat to see the eggs wiggle when he's cleaning them.


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  18. Crystal formerly swcrys

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    Love this last pic. You can clearly see all the eggs!!!
     
  19. Shayna

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    UPDATE -


    The egglets were still on the rock Sunday night with little eyes. It was clear they would be free swimming soon. Monday morning they were gone. Tuesday (yesterday) morning there are new eggs on the rock. Much faster spawning routine than I expected. I'm working on getting cultures going to try raising fry in the future.
     
  20. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    So five days on the hatch. That sounds about right. So this batch should hatch Friday night if my math is right.
     

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