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Terrible week

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mpivit, Oct 26, 2016.

  1. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I've been in this hobby for 6 years, over that time I have had a couple relatively minor setbacks, but the past 10 days have been devastating.

    After my tank transfer everything looked great, corals were open clam looked good and fish were swimming along. Last Tuesday I noticed a couple white spots on my Foxface, figured it was just sand. 2 days later a couple spots were on the yellow tang. They were only noticeable under the blue lights. The fish were all swimming like normal, no flashing or scraping. I've never really had a disease outbreak in the tank, and have not added anything new, coral, rock, fish for well over a year I just assumed it was the fresh sand sticking to them. 2 days later all of my larger fishes eyes were looking cloudy under the blue lights, obviously something was wrong. I bought a product called fish first aid from reefgrow, with the hopes it would help whatever was happening. 2 days later (last Saturday). My goldflake, female clown and Kole tang were dead. By Sunday the Regal angel, male clown bangaii cardinal, yellow tang and Mandarin were dead.
    On Monday the Foxface had also died.

    All I have left is my melanarus wrasse and yellow watchman goby, who both appear healthy, meaning their eyes are clear. All my corals and inverts are totally fine.

    I have been testing my water, no ammonia, nitrite or nitrate was in the system.

    I really don't think this was ich, although the dead fish were covered in very small white spots, almost like they were dusted by something. These spots appeared fairly close to death, nobody swam around with spots for a week or anything like that. All fish were eating well, until the day before or day of death.

    Going forward, what should I do? If anybody has any ideas of what this could have been please let me know.


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  2. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    Don't have much to offer besides that's terrible.
     
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    That stinks! Maybe velvet?
     
  4. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Man, what is the deal lately?! This is like the 3rd or 4th tank crash thread lately

    Sorry man!!

    Sounds like a faster killer though, velvet maybe?
     
  5. Pygmey Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Sounds like velvet to me :(. Not the gold flake :(
     
  6. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    I am so so sorry

    Did you have sand and move it all?

    I am going to guess there was a bacterial infection
     
  7. Hunter

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    This is terrible news man! stupid question, but is there a way to figure out what was wrong after the fact?
     
  8. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I went with all new sand in this setup. Over the years I've lost plenty of coral, but very few fish. Even the old yellow tail damsel went down to this disease.
    So......I know I should go fallow for a probably 2 months. If I do that, do I medicate the tank I transfer the two survivors into? Should at just leave the two fish in the tank and not add anything new for a few months? Are wrasse and gobys resistant to any diseases that would wipe other fish out?

    There does appear to be diatoms or Dino's growing on one of the rocks in my new tank. Is that an indication of anything?


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  9. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Do you have access to a microscope? You can then see if it is a parasite or an infection
     
  10. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I actually do, and did consider it.....briefly. What would I be looking for? I assume a parasite would move?


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  11. Pygmey Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I am curious what microscope would be a good one
     
  12. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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  13. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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  14. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    A disecting microscope in the $200-$300 range is usually good
     
  15. Sporty08

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    How to Identify & Prevent Saltwater Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans)
    I am fairly new to saltwater, but have had fresh for a very long time. From the description given it sounds like what's in this link above, even to the point of cloudy eyes. With a tank move that would have stressed out the fish and lowers their immune system just the same with freshwater fish. All tanks have ich, even the salt variety, it's the stress in the fish that can let an outbreak happen.
     
  16. SteveV

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    Are you sure you didn't have a fast temperature decrease? Power outage? Sounds like ich to me. Stress or low temperature will do it. Goby's by what I have heard normally do not get ich. Velvet will wipe a tank out much faster than ich.
     
  17. Actuary Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    That's terrible. I recently lost all of my fish to marine velvet... so I can empathize here. Some of the common signs with velvet is fish seemingly out of nowhere starting to breathe heavily or swimming into the current from your powerheads (however some fish regularly do this). The speed at which everything died seems to line up with velvet (barring parameter issues). However, without adding anything to your tank recently I don't believe it could have been velvet. From everything I've read about velvet (quite a bit recently due to my recent experience) it sounds like it won't passively survive in a system or on a fish that long without an outbreak. Ich isn't typically that deadly or rapid and usually doesn't hit heavy slimers like a mandarin.

    Other suspects would be flukes, brook, or uronema. I have no hands on experience with any of these and hope I never will. The fact that you had no new inhabitants for a year and had a sudden breakout is concerning since that seems to point to uronema (don't know that flukes or brook could have laid dormant that long). Uronema is scary because it can survive indefinitely without a fish host (so going fallow doesn't help). On the plus side I believe that uronema typically presents itself as sores rather than the dust/sand appearance you described.

    In short I am stumped... let's see under the microscope!
     
  18. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I was looking at pictures and descriptions, yes the fish were swimming into the current. The spots looked like velvet. The confusing thing to me was with no new additions, how did the disease even get into the system?

    Regarding temp....yes, there was a temp drop from 78 to 72-74 degrees a few days before the disease showed up. I have an old aquacontroller that only did my lights and heaters. Something went wrong with my temp probe, or the unit itself and it registers an extremely high temp on the display (127 degrees)
    This prevented my heaters from kicking on for a day or two.


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  19. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    If it is velvet, it was probably always there. But your fish were strong with a strong immune system, so they basically kept it in check without it doing harm.

    Now with the changes, the fish were stressed, lost their slime coat, and were vulnerable for a wipe out.

    Not saying that is it, but that is my best educated guess.
     
  20. mpivit Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Is this something that going fallow would help? Are the two remaining fish carriers?


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