threatening to kick me off

Marc,

You are wrong. Jason G. did not close that thread, I did. I closed it because it had strayed off topic and had no place in our B/S/T forum.

I'll remind you that this website is privately owned and not a public service. We have every right to remove your posts and/or your account if want to. I think we've shown pretty good restraint considering that you continue to publicly bash both the board of directors who are donating their time and the club who's resources you continue to use for free. Furthermore, as someone who has never paid dues, you really don't "deserve" to have a say in the club vs the others who have. We have a "Club Business" forum for discussing these types of issues. All you have to do to get access to it is pay your $20 per year like everyone else.

To be honest, I'm really at a loss as to exactly "what" this club or it's board of directors has done to you. The club or it's board was not a part of your transaction with xroads which has caused most of your problems. I've personally taken the time to talk to you on the phone when you call me rather than pm'ing me like other people would. I gave you free corals the first time you came to my house. What I've gotten in return for that is having to tolerate you bashing the club in your childish rants and having to moderate an inordinate number of the threads you're involved in. Thanks a lot.

Last but not least, your "I'm so innocent / power to the people" act is growing old. I have a long collection of PM's and emails that have been forwarded to me that show that "wwJd" is not exactly in sync with "wwMd". If you really care about the club as you'd have us believe, then actions speak louder than words. Volunteer your time, show up to some events, do anything semi-constructive for the club rather than cause problems on our website.

I'll believe it when I see it...

-JB

 

I did bring up the comment about selling commercially, and the PM I sent you should help to clarify that.

On a second note, I find it incredibly ironic that you keep asking if I (personally) am trying to character bash you,yet you post a huge thread bashing the hell out of me for "closing" and thread I didn't close at all. How does that work? Do as you say not as you do? All I'm doing is my job to this club. I couldn't care less who you sell to, buy from, or anything else for that matter. If you'd like to sit down and have a face to face to discuss your issues with this club I'm sure myself along with a few of the other BOD would be glad to make the time.

 

I was keeping quiet until you decided to start bashing me again. So now I will defend myself.

I don't remember leaving your house trashed. I do remember showing up with 2 trucks to pick up the equipment that was supposed to be ready to go only to find out it was still full of water & sand. I was handed a sawzall & pipe wrench & told there you go.

And yes I am suing you for $950. I was promised (& it was witnessed) a skimmer with supply pump & 200 pounds of live rock. After you got my money you realized you could have gotten more & backed out of the skimmer & pump. Also the 200 lbs was 135, your reply was sorry I guessed, too bad.

I don't care about the money, it is the principal of the matter & the way you treated me & bashed me. I have given away over $950 worth of coral & fish to club members in the last 7 years I have been a member. I don't like being lied to & played a fool.

And I don't know of a cliche in the club. I know we have several regions so each area has its own core groups. But cliches, no! Anyone, club member or not is welcome at my house anytime. I don't care what region or cliche they belong to. I am a hard core reefer & eagerly share my passion with anyone.

 

I don't know what this is about, but I seem to remember user Marc stepping on people's toes before and saying something about leaving this site already. For the record, freedom of speech has no standing in forums like these, so I am not sure what you are going on about. Right or wrong, mods do what they want LOL.

 

You get what you give in this life. It always amazes me how the people that complain the loudest are generally the ones that do the least. Now if the board members had paying jobs on this site, maybe you could expect to be able to critique them and want more of them. I'm afraid you don't have a clue how many hours these board members, trustee's and people that donate their time (a valuable thing in my book) and their daily efforts and for what? To get to have people gripe and want them to do more, to do less , to do it all really! Geesh, give these hard working members and officers a break! Until you are willing to step up and take on an active role in this club, (or any other for that matter) and at the very least, support the club with the very minor yearly dues........well, enough said. I personally don't believe you have earned the right to complain or to openly voice those complaints on these forums. I'm a member and that is my opinion.
I for one would like to commend the officers, JB in particular, for VERY often, holding this club up, entirely on their backs........and simply because they CARE and want to help the hobby. And for the record, for those that feel their are "cliques" in this club, maybe you should join in more often and see the fun and genuinely great people that make up this club GIRS!!

 

there are posts everytime there is a get together or club meeting, wether you attend or not is totally up to yourself. Also with volunteers, they post asking for them never asking. I believe that is the best way to approach it, if asked some people might feel like they were cornered. So if you did happen to want to volunteer then speak up. No one here is kids and we are not anyone here's parents, no need to speak for other people. I think this club is a group. But a cliche not so much, if so this is the mosted F'd up group i have ever met considering the vast types, sex, and class of people here. And yet for the most part everyone here gets along. If you want to feel welcome open yourself for it. Everyone here has always been pretty nice to me. And I am personally very proud of this group.

 

Marc if you are so unhappy with this club I have a very quick fix for you, close the web site and don't ever open it again. Problem solved!!!!!!!!!

 

Looks like you made your own bed buddy. It is clear youve gone past the point of no return. Looks like your on your own from here. I can't see why anyone would want to help you. When i first moved to my new city and started reefing, the first thing i did was seek out the local club and pay my dues immediately. Perhaps you have never been in a club in your life. You don't wait for a formal invitation, you become a go getter. You do favors for people and volunteer your time and energy. THAT is how you earn the right to give your opinion! Nobody owes anyone anything! All theses club forums are privately owned and maintained. They are ALLOWING you to participate and they can certainly take that away from you. For the future, be more generous than necesary and don't sh*t where you lay.

 

Can't Say I blame you for being po'd but attacking other members will not get you anywhere. Keep your beef with whoever has ripped you off. It was clear that the products purchased were a part of the deal and if they backed out after you paid is a pretty crappy thing to do and I can see your frustration. Also however I'm sure this brings a bad name to club members and seeing stuff like this posted all over their forum is discouraging to non-members and they would like to see this taken care of in another way. It's good your a christian and all I had to say is to let god set a table in the presence of your enemies while your cup runneth over.

 

For the record I feel you did rip this kid off, and I have followed all of the forums including the ad you had listed.

For the Record I think everybody on this site has lost respect for both of you.

 

It's really unfortunate that things have turned out the way that they have and things are getting ugly. While I have my own personal feelings on this matter, I think if you do take a few minutes and read some historical messages of those involved, you will be able to form your own opinions.

I hate to see stuff like this on the GIRS board but I guess any time you have money and products changing hands between people, you will have misunderstandings (and in some less frequent cases, misrepresentations) of what's being bought or sold.

For buyers and sellers, this should be a good reminder of how things can end if you don't take the time to clarify exactly what you're buying/selling. Pictures are also always a good idea. And finally, if it comes down to deal time and the terms are not as agreed upon, until the money has changed hands, the option is always there to walk away.

--AJ

 

SIGH...

I thought this was over a long time ago. You said from the start that the skimmer was included, and then changed your story.

Your house was not trashed by us, you are the one who scooped sand out of the tank into buckets while we carried them out (which by the way had to be done while we waited, instead of before we got like was originally arranged )

yes it was known that we would need to help remove it from the wall but that is a world of difference from dismantling a whole system with only a sawzall and a pair of pliers.

And since you are so short on finances that would explain why you are trying to buy more tanks and talking about upgrades you are going to make in several other threads.

You continue to misrepresent good people (who continually prove that with their generosity and willingness to help others)...

and when you get on your longwinded rants and attacks the word is "clique"

time to grow up...

 

If their is a suit and you feel it is unjust, then just go ahead and go to court and prove your case. The judge will be fair. Just have all the evidence ready. If you feel his suit is overboard, then the judge will make it acurate. OR GIVE HIM ALL HIS MONEY BACK AND ASK FOR THE ITEMS TO BE RETURNED. PROBLEM SOLVED. Right?

 

Enough already!! This is a private and LEGAL matter at this point. Please discuss it somewhere besides here. The board is being more than generous in letting you rant and rave on and on and on and on!!!

 

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