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Help!! vinegar dosing

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by cameron lake, Nov 14, 2016.

  1. cameron lake Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I no people dose vinegar to reduce nitrates
    I got a 120-gallon tank with nitrates around 25 to 30 and i got an extra 1.1ml per minute BRS dosing pump has anyone ever done vinegar dosing and does it work is there any sidefects? like does it raise your alkalinity or calcium if there is anyone out there who can walk me thru this that would be awesome.
    thanks
     
  2. cameron lake Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    i found this off a random form can anyone confirm if this is true?
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  3. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Yes it works i have used that same chart on my 75 gallon tank when i had it just make sure you have a good skimmer and just keep monitoring your levels and once you get where you want them i belive you cut your dose in half and that's what you add daily

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  4. amcvay1979

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    it works but it also creates its own set of problems. For one, you'll need to constantly monitor both nitrate and phosphate to make sure you don't get them both to zero and start starving your corals. Next, your dosing pump tubes will eventually clog and if it goes un-noticed for days you'll have a spike in nutrients. Your skimmer will need to be very good and it'll produce absolutely foul smelling skimmate.

    You can also have issues with oxygen being too low because bacteria are now consuming it, so I saw some fish loss when I carbon dosed, may be normal may not be. Also I lost some SPS due to STN/RTN that may or may not be related to carbon dosing.

    It absolutely works in getting nutrients lower, the problem comes in trying to consistently keep them low while feeding enough to fish and corals, finding a dose that works with your system that doesn't cause massive explosions of bacteria in your system. My sump was filled with stringy bacteria that was pretty gross to remove.
     
  5. hart

    hart Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I love carbon dosing and I think it's one of the biggest innovations to come in decades.

    I never had any clogs in the dosing tubes with vodka or vinegar, I don't know why that would have been happening. With a functioning skimmer I am really surprised you saw low oxygen, how do you know oxygen was getting low?

    You can over do it, but that chart is pretty safe.

    I dose low amounts carbon in tanks with no nutrient issues to feed filter feeders like sponges and feather dusters. I also personally feel the coral benefits from more bacteria to consume.

    Our skimmed tanks have around 1/10 the amount of bacteria (in the water) as a coral reef does. (see below). Carbon dosing increases these numbers.

    Feature Article: Bacterial Counts in Reef Aquarium Water: Baseline Values and Modulation by Carbon Dosing, Protein Skimming, and Granular Activated Carbon Filtration

    Corals consume (lots of) bacteria
     
  6. cameron lake Well-Known ReefKeeper

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  7. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    I dose vinegar as well. Never had a problem with my dosing pump tubing. I use the BRS 1.1ml dosing pump and have it hooked through the apex to control it. I used the chart as a guideline to my dosing, but I went a little slower than it stated. Get a good skimmer and take things slow. I think it's working well. I just need to fine tune my dose a little more I think.
     
  8. cameron lake Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    hey can you dose vinager and use biopellets at the same time?
     
  9. hart

    hart Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Yes you can if you really want to. I wouldn't though unless one or the other isn't working well or is having side effects.
     
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  10. Eric Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I dose vodka and vinegar as they both have a slightly different effect and when I only dose vodka I get nuisance algae. Just my expereince.

    -Eric
     
  11. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    I had planned on doing that when I started carbon dosing, but I currently run the dosing pump off my apex and I am out of outlets for the second pump I need. How do you split the ratio of vodka/vinegar? Do you dose together or at different times?
     
  12. Eric Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I go old school and dose manually at night - currently at 10 ml vodka + 15 ml vinegar on a 120 gallon.

    I believe in a discussion on Reef Central Randy indicated the two could be mixed together for dosing but I would invite you to research that on your own. Additionally, if you aren't in the maintenance stage you would need to keep destroying and re-mixing based on the strength you need.

    -Eric
     
  13. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    I also dose vodka and vinegar. I had read an article on Reef Central where some folks asked about Red Sea's NoPo3. Although proprietary and no one knows the exact mix, the consensus was toward a ratio of 41ml vodka and 59 ml vinegar plus some other minor things that no one knew. That ratio equates pretty much to what Eric listed. I mix up a quantity of vodka and vinegar together based on that ratio and keep it in a container - and dose from it.
     
  14. Waterrat41 Addicted Reefer GIRS Member

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    Some algae just can't hold its liquor.:D
     
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  15. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    So they mix together and don't separate and you can dose it as a solution? That would solve my problem with not being able to run another dosing pump.
     
  16. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    I'm not aware that they separate. I dose it as a solution. I currently don't dose it with a pump, but was planning to move to that.
     

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