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Why I envy the newbies...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JB, Jan 21, 2010.

  1. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    I have come to the realization that I really envy the "newbies" in this hobby.   When you first get started, there is so much to learn and you can make great leaps in understanding in a very short time.   You get to go from having nothing but a desire for a tank to getting that first tank set up, then adding the first few critters.   Watching a tank go from empty to just a few bare rocks, then seeing it explode with life is just awesome.
    While I consider my tank "successful", I've come to the realization lately that "successful" doesn't always mean "enjoyable".   My tank basically takes care of itself now.   I don't have to do water changes very often (though I should) and some of my coral colonies are so big that they are encrusting on the front glass now.   This leads to a whole new (and much less fun) set of problems like not being able to clean the glass without destroying a colony and watching awesome colonies go to war and kill each other because there is no space left for them to grow.   The "early" problems are a lot more fun (and easy) to solve then the problems of a well established tank.
    Right now I'm to the point where more and more I just want to start over.   Maybe go a lot more slowly and try and avoid some of the mistakes that I'm paying for now.
    So...   My advise to all of you new people is this:   Go slow and enjoy the things that make this hobby fun.  If you're like me, you might find that the journey involved in achieving your goals is far more fulfilling then the goal itself.
    -JB
     
  2. Strong

    Strong

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    Since your in the area (I am in Marion as well) I will surely use your advise as well as Jay's when I get mine going. Gotta get the tax return back first .....Febuary can't come fast enough....

    I would love to come by some time and look at your stuff when I am ready to pull the trigger. For now I am learning a ton just reading questions and answers here before I get started.

    -Strong
     
  3. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    So JB..I think that you're able to present a *very* interesting perspective that most of us don't have; and that is from the person with a very successful tank that would do things differently if they had to start over. Mind detailing that a bit? Telling us what kind of things you would change and why? What livestock you have enjoyed and which you wish you had never introduced, etc. I think that would really help many of us that are currently in a build process and those doing builds later.

    --AJ
     
  4. Waverz

    Waverz Expert Reefkeeper

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    I smell nano! /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/wink.gif

     
  5. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    I totally agree 100% thats why i'm completely overhauling my tank.
     
  6. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    Hey Jeremy...you could present a few pointers on that as well. I heard that when it was in it's prime, your tank was the envy of the club (and you have photo proof of that in our photo gallery). If you had to set up your big tank again...what would you do different?

    --AJ
     
  7. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    Lol, no Nano for me.   My bad habits (like going weeks without touching the tank) would not be compatible with a nano.... /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif
    What would I have done differently?   Lots of stuff probably.    Not all of them apply to everyone as they are mostly related to personal preference.
    Here's a few off the top of my head:
    [list type=decimal][*]I would have bought a 180 instead of a 125.   That extra 6" front to back would provide a lot more flexibility for aquascaping and a lot more breathing room for corals to grow.
    [*]I would have made the tank bare bottom.   I put some sand in my tank for my Diamond Goby to play in, but he's long gone now and the sand remains.
    [*]I would have spent more time acquiring nice large pieces of live rock rather than incorporating as many small/medium pieces.
    [*]I would have spend more time planning and executing the aquascaping so that I had a beautiful and solid base to work with.  By this I mean I would have actually attached the rocks together with acrylic rod or glue.   As it is right now, one "shift" of a rock can cause a chain reaction in my tank doing a lot of damage and making a bad space situation even worse.
    [*]This is a big one: I would have been very particular about which soft corals made it into my tank.   Xenia, Anthelia, Purple Mushrooms, Kenya Trees and GSP would all be on the "banned" list (especially the last 3).
    [*]I would have run dual return pumps rather than Tee-ing off of a single pump and I would have used flexible tube rather than PVC for the return run (this one's actually correctable, just need to do it).   I believe I could get a lot more flow/turnover and a bit of extra reliability without adding any wattage.
    [*]I probably would have never added a green brittle star, though I'm still not convinced that he can actually catch fish that aren't already dead, he's so big now that he knocks stuff over constantly.
    [*]I probably would have given another RBTA a try rather than going with a Sebae anemone.   My sebae is cool, but he's grown huge and (like most sebae's) it refuses to split.   I have a large "dead zone" where it's stung all of the corals around it.   I think a RBTA would have been more manageable long term.
    [*]I would have placed some power heads low in the back of the tank before I put in the rocks to help with flow.
    [/list type=decimal]
     
  8. Bela

    Bela Inactive User

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    The grass is always greener I suppose. You can always frag your big colonies and give the frags away to the newbies too! /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/wink.gif
     
  9. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    That is *great* stuff JB. Thanks for taking the time to pass this along. Jeremy, anything you want to add?

    --AJ
     
  10. Bluefool

    Bluefool Inactive User

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    Love this thread. I'm also waiting for the magic tax return to set up a tank, and knowing what folks have run into will help alot in my set up.

    Why are you banning those soft corals? Do they grow to fast....hard to keep alive....what?
     
  11. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    They all grow incredibly fast and they are impossible to control.
    -JB
     
  12. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    I have the same issue with softies. And they croud sps and in some cases (blue stripe shrooms) sting and kill sps. And if you want to get rid of them good luck once they are established the only way is a rebuild.
     
  13. Waverz

    Waverz Expert Reefkeeper

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    Well, JB hit most of the things I would have liked to have done differently, especially the bigger/deeper tank rather than a standard 6' tank. One thing I always wished I had was some sort of fail-proof overflow system. I had always used a CPR external overflow and everytime me and the wife went on vacation during Labor Day weekend it would fail.

    Another thing would be planning and aquascaping, when I setup my 125 I was upgrading from a 75 as well as tearing down my moms old 125. So I was essentially tearing down 2 tanks and combining them into one all in a matter of a day. Needless to say, by the time it came to aquascape I was totally beat and we ended up just throwing the rocks against the back wall making the notorious "wall of death".

    Coral selection was also another reason I decided to tear down my tank, when I setup the 125 I was fairly new to SPS and just would take whatever I could get my hands on, I also stuck with things that were hardy and affordable only to come to find out I had the same exact corals as everyone else in this club had at the time so the whole trading thing was limited.

    The last final and MOST IMPORTANT thing I would have done. QUARANTINE!!! I think at one time I have had every reef related pest you can possibly have all because of my bad habit of just tossing corals into the display as soon as I got them home. Mind you I learned quite a bit about battling these pests but sometimes it felt like I would never win and well, I guess in the end I did "lose".

    I guess I could go on and on about things I would have done differently but those things are the biggest reason for taking down my 125. I can totally relate to where JB is coming from, I was there last year. Tearing down the big tank and starting a new one definitely gave me my "spark" back for this hobby.

     
  14. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    Thanks Jeremy! Great info. I agree with Bluefool...this has been one of the most informative and favorite threads this month. Thanks guys! Anyone else care to contribute some lessons you have learned?

    --AJ
     
  15. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I really agree with #5! I now hate most of the softies I had introduced earlier-the ricordia and blue shrooms especially. I have to take kalk paste and a razor about 1x a month and just go through and KILL KILL KILL /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif And you can never reach some of them, so they make more and more.......I think they've killed some of the nicest coral I've had /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/sad.gif They may be ok in a tank by themselves, but NOT good in a mixed reef!
     
  16. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    Add Yellow polyps to that list. Zoanthids have never grown all that well for me, so I'd probably allow them, but that might be a mistake as well..

    -JB
     
  17. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    I would say that you guys covered most of the thinghs i would have said. But i would add be very careful what fish you add. For instance i have a spoted hawk fish reef safe sure shrimp safe no way! He has killed plenty of shrimp over the years. I always tell myself maybe he wont kill this kind ha, he kills them all. Not right away or during the day he likes to kill at night. And noway to catch him he is way to smart for a trap and a net noway in my crowded tank.
     
  18. Waverz

    Waverz Expert Reefkeeper

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    My hawkfish ate anything he could catch, including fish.  Sounds like someone needs a fishtrap.
     
  19. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    I have a fish trap. Won't work it's like he knows i'm after him. No worries though his days are numbered. I'm rebuilding my tank, just waiting on some stuff i ordered that will be here next week and the process will begin.
     
  20. adampottebaum

    adampottebaum Experienced Reefkeeper GIRS Member

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    Yea this is a great thread! I just upgraded from a 72 gallon to a 125 gallon and it's so nice to be able to fix all the things I hated about the previous tank. It's so nice having drilled overflows, 6' of space, bare bottom(I lost a ton of corals do that damn sand), open rock work, flat glass panels, rocks/sand away from the glass, and also it'll be nice having halides over this tank.
     

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